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2020 US General Election Thread IX: One Month and Counting

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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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No
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I Don't Know
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Too Early to Say
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:47 pm

-Astoria- wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It would be better than the other guy. And then we try to find someone better four years from now.

Basically this.

"it is easier to imagine an end to the world than an end to capitalism”.

Seems relevant here.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It would be better than the other guy. And then we try to find someone better four years from now.


Biden is by far the better option plus I think its likely he doesnt run for a second term and defers to Harris to be his successor.

I'd much prefer Abrams over Harris.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:47 pm

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“I beat the socialist,” Mr. Biden said. “That’s how I got elected. That’s how I got the nomination. Do I look like a socialist? Look at my career — my whole career. I am not a socialist.”
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And I'm supposed to vote for this guy?

It would be better than the other guy. And then we try to find someone better four years from now.


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Postby Shrillland » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:You seriously doubt that the Pennsylvania results will be disputed?


If the results are not close then why would they be?


That's not what would happen. The partisan disconnect over the merits of voting early fed by Trump means that the Republicans will lead on Election Night whilst the Democrats lead four weeks later. That's where the dispute comes in.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:48 pm

Kannap wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It would be better than the other guy. And then we try to find someone better four years from now.


I wish I could still live in such a fantasy.

It makes everything much more pleasant in life if you try to look at the bright side.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:48 pm

Kannap wrote:
“I beat the socialist,” Mr. Biden said. “That’s how I got elected. That’s how I got the nomination. Do I look like a socialist? Look at my career — my whole career. I am not a socialist.”
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And I'm supposed to vote for this guy?

I think we dodged a bullet there. If it was Sanders it would be far more left wing democratic platform
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:48 pm

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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:49 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Kannap wrote:
“I beat the socialist,” Mr. Biden said. “That’s how I got elected. That’s how I got the nomination. Do I look like a socialist? Look at my career — my whole career. I am not a socialist.”
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And I'm supposed to vote for this guy?

I think we dodged a bullet there. If it was Sanders it would be far more left wing democratic platform

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:50 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If the results are not close then why would they be?


That's not what would happen. The partisan disconnect over the merits of voting early fed by Trump means that the Republicans will lead on Election Night whilst the Democrats lead four weeks later. That's where the dispute comes in.

Its not going to take four weeks to count ballots. I think we will know the outcome by early morning on November 4th.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:50 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Kannap wrote:
“I beat the socialist,” Mr. Biden said. “That’s how I got elected. That’s how I got the nomination. Do I look like a socialist? Look at my career — my whole career. I am not a socialist.”
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And I'm supposed to vote for this guy?

I think we dodged a bullet there. If it was Sanders it would be far more left wing democratic platform

Aren't you still banned?
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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:50 pm

Corrian wrote:Alright, I'm gonna do some amateur election predictions:

This is my expectation of a most likely scenario for the election
If it turns into an unexpected landslide prediction
If it ends up being closer than expected prediction (Though I honestly doubt all 3 of those would flip from the first prediction)

Of course, nothing is out of the question in crazy land 2020, but I still believe its very likely Biden will end up winning still. And God I hope so or we're fucked honestly. Hell, we might still be fucked if he loses, depending on how he reacts, or his supporters react, or if our country is just putting a bandaid on our inevitable downfall. All of these could be bad in the long term.




Your third scenario should have had ME-2 going to Trump. If it's that close, this district will break from the rest of the state again.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:50 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kannap wrote:
“I beat the socialist,” Mr. Biden said. “That’s how I got elected. That’s how I got the nomination. Do I look like a socialist? Look at my career — my whole career. I am not a socialist.”
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And I'm supposed to vote for this guy?

It would be better than the other guy. And then we try to find someone better four years from now.

Four years from now, there won't be an America, and there sure as hell won't be anyone better. Soon enough, we'll be picking the oligarch that has a slightly smaller list of crimes, or barring that, the one with the most money to throw away. I don't care about "being better than the other guy", I care about having people in power who won't fuck the common man. At this point, there's no way to vote that into existence.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:51 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Kannap wrote:
“I beat the socialist,” Mr. Biden said. “That’s how I got elected. That’s how I got the nomination. Do I look like a socialist? Look at my career — my whole career. I am not a socialist.”
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And I'm supposed to vote for this guy?

I think we dodged a bullet there. If it was Sanders it would be far more left wing democratic platform

More like we ran into the bullet.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:51 pm

Geneviev wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Biden is by far the better option plus I think its likely he doesnt run for a second term and defers to Harris to be his successor.

I'd much prefer Abrams over Harris.

Both of them are shit
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
That's not what would happen. The partisan disconnect over the merits of voting early fed by Trump means that the Republicans will lead on Election Night whilst the Democrats lead four weeks later. That's where the dispute comes in.

Its not going to take four weeks to count ballots. I think we will know the outcome by early morning on November 4th.


It will in a lot of states where counting still won't start until polls close, and there's still a lot of important states that are doing that.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:51 pm


He was already told to go to hell on this by several state party chairpersons. Its not going to happen and would be blatantly illegal.

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:52 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It would be better than the other guy. And then we try to find someone better four years from now.

Four years from now, there won't be an America, and there sure as hell won't be anyone better. Soon enough, we'll be picking the oligarch that has a slightly smaller list of crimes, or barring that, the one with the most money to throw away. I don't care about "being better than the other guy", I care about having people in power who won't fuck the common man. At this point, there's no way to vote that into existence.

Biden, at least, would let us elect someone better. We need patience, and then we will save democracy.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:52 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its not going to take four weeks to count ballots. I think we will know the outcome by early morning on November 4th.


It will in a lot of states where counting still won't start until polls close, and there's still a lot of important states that are doing that.

Then start counting mail in ballots before election day. Why is that so hard to do?

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
It will in a lot of states where counting still won't start until polls close, and there's still a lot of important states that are doing that.

Then start counting mail in ballots before election day. Why is that so hard to do?


Hard isn't the issue. It's the optics. The Republicans care about the optics because without them, their narrative won't hold water even among many of their supporters.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:53 pm

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He was already told to go to hell on this by several state party chairpersons. Its not going to happen and would be blatantly illegal.

In order to keep their reputation intact, sure.

Doesn't mean the GOP won't do what the GOP does and operate behind the scenes.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:53 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:54 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Then start counting mail in ballots before election day. Why is that so hard to do?


Hard isn't the issue. It's the optics. The Republicans care about the optics because without them, their narrative won't hold water even among many of their supporters.

several states have already done it and the legislature and Governor are working on it in Pennsylvania.

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
That's not what would happen. The partisan disconnect over the merits of voting early fed by Trump means that the Republicans will lead on Election Night whilst the Democrats lead four weeks later. That's where the dispute comes in.

Its not going to take four weeks to count ballots. I think we will know the outcome by early morning on November 4th.

Umm... Pennsylvania's deadline for receiving mail in ballots is two weeks after the election day.
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Postby Tokora » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:54 pm


And does anyone have a plan to fight back if he does?

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