US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Ofc all lives matter, but it's redundant to say that in response to "black lives matter."

It's a classic deflection with no real purpose, the people who say this will do nothing and continue to play blind over racism.

It's a strawman type of argument. Someone says black lives matter and they respond with "WHAT YOU THINK WHITE LIVES DON'T MATTER?"

[Zul-ar]

It's a classic deflection with no real purpose, the people who say this will do nothing and continue to play blind over racism.

It's a strawman type of argument. Someone says black lives matter and they respond with "WHAT YOU THINK WHITE LIVES DON'T MATTER?"

And the thing is, we never do this with anything else. If you say "remember 9/11," nobody jumps out of the woodwork complaining you don't think all buildings matter. They only ever do this when it comes to black lives, and I'm damn sure it's no coincidence.

[Kowani]

Several businesses in Minneapolis are boarding up in preparation for the conclusion of Derek Chauvin’s trial. Others plan on staying open to take in more profits.
The trial begins on Monday.

[Senkaku]

It's a strawman type of argument. Someone says black lives matter and they respond with "WHAT YOU THINK WHITE LIVES DON'T MATTER?"

And the thing is, we never do this with anything else. If you say "remember 9/11," nobody jumps out of the woodwork complaining you don't think all buildings matter. They only ever do this when it comes to black lives, and I'm damn sure it's no coincidence.

So you’re saying we shouldn’t Remember The Alamo??? Do you hate freedom, or our honored war dead, or both?!

[Kowani]

Kentucky bill would make it a crime to insult or taunt a police officer to the point that the taunting provokes a violent response (passed senate committee 7-3)

[The Black Forrest]

Im not happy about small businesses burning, but I don't give a shit about Target (there's a million reasons reasons hate them) and I'm more angry people were killed by police.

I strongly agree with Fahran and Ill raise Fahran one better.

Black Lives Matter.
White Euro Lives Matter.
Blue Lives Matter.
And all Lives Matter.

When people start killing smurfs; give me a call.

Seriously: It's a disingenuous comment. By declaring Black Lives Matter ; nobody has declared only their lives matter.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Kentucky bill would make it a crime to insult or taunt a police officer to the point that the taunting provokes a violent response (passed senate committee 7-3)

Man I really got into the wrong profession lmao, I should have become a cop. There's a section of the country that would support me no matter what.

[Kowani]

Kentucky bill would make it a crime to insult or taunt a police officer to the point that the taunting provokes a violent response (passed senate committee 7-3)

Man I really got into the wrong profession lmao, I should have become a cop. There's a section of the country that would support me no matter what.

it's barely even qualified immunity anymore

[Neutraligon]

Kentucky bill would make it a crime to insult or taunt a police officer to the point that the taunting provokes a violent response (passed senate committee 7-3)

...I am sorry but what civilian other then cops would have the right to respond physically to verbal taunts?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Kentucky bill would make it a crime to insult or taunt a police officer to the point that the taunting provokes a violent response (passed senate committee 7-3)

...I am sorry but what civilian other then cops would have the right to respond physically to verbal taunts?

Tbf that is legal in a number of states but for officers of the law it would be a terrible look no matter what.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Tbh I myself am a little uncomfortable with the whole black lives matter phrase, and it isnt because I don't agree with it or with what the movement is trying to achieve. I agree with the movement like 95%, but here's the thing. Police violence does not solely affect black people. Oh yeah it disproportionately affects them but it isnt solely a black issue anymore than ICE is solely a problem for latinos. The police are out of control in general and we shouldn't give non-black people a false sense of security. It's like how covid affects old people worse than it affects younger people but that doesn't mean being young makes you safe from covid. We tell young people to be careful nonetheless and say covid is a danger for everyone. Just like with covid, police abuse is an issue no one Is 100% immune to. I'm not a black man but my family has suffered three generations of police abuse and we're sick of it, and the thing is even people in the BLM movement understand that. They know police abuse doesn't just affect black people as often is stated when they say "young black and brown men are living in fear." So we keep arguing if black lives do or don't matter but I think we got it all wrong. The issue is police are getting away with murder. George Floyd's death made me mad not because he was a black man killed by police, but because he was a human being murdered by the police. His skintone didn't matter to me because when I saw the video of him dying, it reminded me of the things police officers have done to friends of mine black and not black alike. It reminded me of when they almost shot my brother in front of me over something dumb. All I'm arguing is there's more nuance to the debate than "are the police targeting black people or not?" People don't seem to understand probability and as a result the debate suffers a false dichotomy that needs correction. So instead of arguing whether black lived matter or all lives matter, my motto is "stop the state backed slayings."

[Borderlands of Rojava]

...I am sorry but what civilian other then cops would have the right to respond physically to verbal taunts?

Tbf that is legal in a number of states but for officers of the law it would be a terrible look no matter what.

You know how they ruled that George Zimmerman was acting in self defense against trayvon Martin when he ran after him, started shit, started getting his ass kicked and then shot Trayvon? Does that argument apply if you insult a cop, he pulls his gun and you draw yours or is there a double standard about who can start fights and then shoot the person who fights them?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbf that is legal in a number of states but for officers of the law it would be a terrible look no matter what.

You know how they ruled that George Zimmerman was acting in self defense against trayvon Martin when he ran after him, started shit, started getting his ass kicked and then shot Trayvon? Does that argument apply if you insult a cop, he pulls his gun and you draw yours or is there a double standard about who can start fights and then shoot the person who fights them?

That's not really what happened in the Zimmerman case. The evidence made a pretty good case that while Zimmerman did initially pursue he also followed the instructions the dispatcher on the phone gave him to return to his truck and wait for the cops, you even hear his breathing slow down because he's not running anymore. On his way back to the truck he then gets attacked and shoots Martin.

[Kowani]

Several businesses in Minneapolis are boarding up in preparation for the conclusion of Derek Chauvin’s trial. Others plan on staying open to take in more profits.
The trial begins on Monday.

Or maybe not: The Minnesota Court of Appeals on Friday ruled that Chauvin should face a third-degree murder charge in the killing of George Floyd that had previously been dropped by a trial judge. Chauvin's currently facing charges for second-degree murder and manslaughter. The decision reverses the previous ruling and sends the case back to Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill, meaning that Chauvin's trial scheduled to begin next week could be delayed.

[Stellar Colonies]

I strongly agree with Fahran and Ill raise Fahran one better.

Black Lives Matter.
White Euro Lives Matter.
Blue Lives Matter.
And all Lives Matter.

Who is born a cop? That's kind of a requirement for a "blue life" to be a thing.

#BolianLifesMatter

[Atheris]

Im not happy about small businesses burning, but I don't give a shit about Target (there's a million reasons reasons hate them) and I'm more angry people were killed by police.

I strongly agree with Fahran and Ill raise Fahran one better.

Black Lives Matter.
White Euro Lives Matter.
Blue Lives Matter.
And all Lives Matter.

"White Euro Lives Matter"
*cries in Kyle Garrick*

[Stellar Colonies]

Tbh I myself am a little uncomfortable with the whole black lives matter phrase, and it isnt because I don't agree with it or with what the movement is trying to achieve. I agree with the movement like 95%, but here's the thing. Police violence does not solely affect black people. Oh yeah it disproportionately affects them but it isnt solely a black issue anymore than ICE is solely a problem for latinos. The police are out of control in general and we shouldn't give non-black people a false sense of security. It's like how covid affects old people worse than it affects younger people but that doesn't mean being young makes you safe from covid. We tell young people to be careful nonetheless and say covid is a danger for everyone. Just like with covid, police abuse is an issue no one Is 100% immune to. I'm not a black man but my family has suffered three generations of police abuse and we're sick of it, and the thing is even people in the BLM movement understand that. They know police abuse doesn't just affect black people as often is stated when they say "young black and brown men are living in fear." So we keep arguing if black lives do or don't matter but I think we got it all wrong. The issue is police are getting away with murder. George Floyd's death made me mad not because he was a black man killed by police, but because he was a human being murdered by the police. His skintone didn't matter to me because when I saw the video of him dying, it reminded me of the things police officers have done to friends of mine black and not black alike. It reminded me of when they almost shot my brother in front of me over something dumb. All I'm arguing is there's more nuance to the debate than "are the police targeting black people or not?" People don't seem to understand probability and as a result the debate suffers a false dichotomy that needs correction. So instead of arguing whether black lived matter or all lives matter, my motto is "stop the state backed slayings."

Especially when the gap between judicial male and female treatment is equivalent to if not more than the gap between white and black treatment. Not that I'm minimizing the racial angle, but it is indeed important to look at the other angles of the problem as well, even if it is unpopular.

[Greater Cesnica]

Tbh I myself am a little uncomfortable with the whole black lives matter phrase, and it isnt because I don't agree with it or with what the movement is trying to achieve. I agree with the movement like 95%, but here's the thing. Police violence does not solely affect black people. Oh yeah it disproportionately affects them but it isnt solely a black issue anymore than ICE is solely a problem for latinos. The police are out of control in general and we shouldn't give non-black people a false sense of security. It's like how covid affects old people worse than it affects younger people but that doesn't mean being young makes you safe from covid. We tell young people to be careful nonetheless and say covid is a danger for everyone. Just like with covid, police abuse is an issue no one Is 100% immune to. I'm not a black man but my family has suffered three generations of police abuse and we're sick of it, and the thing is even people in the BLM movement understand that. They know police abuse doesn't just affect black people as often is stated when they say "young black and brown men are living in fear." So we keep arguing if black lives do or don't matter but I think we got it all wrong. The issue is police are getting away with murder. George Floyd's death made me mad not because he was a black man killed by police, but because he was a human being murdered by the police. His skintone didn't matter to me because when I saw the video of him dying, it reminded me of the things police officers have done to friends of mine black and not black alike. It reminded me of when they almost shot my brother in front of me over something dumb. All I'm arguing is there's more nuance to the debate than "are the police targeting black people or not?" People don't seem to understand probability and as a result the debate suffers a false dichotomy that needs correction. So instead of arguing whether black lived matter or all lives matter, my motto is "stop the state backed slayings."

Especially when the gap between judicial male and female treatment is equivalent to if not more than the gap between white and black treatment.

It hasn't been a police v.s black people issue only for a long time. It's been a police v.s the people issue for decades.

[Fahran]

Im not happy about small businesses burning, but I don't give a shit about Target (there's a million reasons reasons hate them) and I'm more angry people were killed by police.

I strongly agree with Fahran and Ill raise Fahran one better.

Black Lives Matter.
White Euro Lives Matter.
Blue Lives Matter.
And all Lives Matter.

Y-you said better.

[Dresderstan]

Especially when the gap between judicial male and female treatment is equivalent to if not more than the gap between white and black treatment.

It hasn't been a police v.s black people issue only for a long time. It's been a police v.s the people issue for decades.

No it's been a people vs authority issue since the dawn of civilization.

[Fahran]

Who is born a cop? That's kind of a requirement for a "blue life" to be a thing.

I don't think #BlackLivesMatter and #BlueLivesMatter have to be contradictory. Folks dying due to preventable and often, if we're being frank, stupid violence is never a good thing. I'm mostly salty that people keep bringing up #BlueLives when the conversation is about #BlackLives because that's a red herring that solely distracts from the conversation at hand unless someone's actually going to make a point about cops being endangered by proposed policy changes or rhetoric.

[Fahran]

Kentucky bill would make it a crime to insult or taunt a police officer to the point that the taunting provokes a violent response (passed senate committee 7-3)

Um... Okay, it's getting even worse. Ugh.

[Fahran]

Yes, but being mad about the former in a discussion about the later is the problem. When we're talking about the police brutalizing a black man, jumping in and saying "wElL WhAT aBoUt ThE bLm RiOTs!1?" is as ridiculous as saying "all buildings matter" on 9/11

Well, yes. This thread does both things though, so I have no issue talking about both things here so long as nobody goes "BLM did riots so we should keep police brutality."

[Greater Cesnica]

Kentucky bill would make it a crime to insult or taunt a police officer to the point that the taunting provokes a violent response (passed senate committee 7-3)

Whoever supports this unconstitutional measure is not only guilty of licking the boot, but of swallowing it wholesale.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Especially when the gap between judicial male and female treatment is equivalent to if not more than the gap between white and black treatment.

It hasn't been a police v.s black people issue only for a long time. It's been a police v.s the people issue for decades.

If they can get away with fucking with you, they'll do it. I've seen it happen before where because the vetting in these departments and culture of silence is so bad, all kinds of weird people join knowing they can abuse their power.