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What would you consider to be the best 'compromise'?

Reduce abortions with welfare supports / other non-invasive measures, leave access untouched.
132
33%
Set conditions under which abortions can be accessed.
83
21%
Allow free access, under a given time limit.
38
9%
Allow free access, but give men an option to excuse themselves from child support.
40
10%
HELL WITH COMPROMISE, IT'S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!
86
21%
Look out! They're here! Pink Elephants on Parade! Here they come, hippity hoppity!
22
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Total votes : 401

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Postby Islamic Essarn » Tue May 31, 2022 7:19 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Islamic Essarn wrote:
yes, it is all those things that’s just the term for it

It's not benevolent at all.


Please look up benevolent sexism before you comment because I’m so tired of explaining what it is too people

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Postby New haven america » Tue May 31, 2022 9:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/3506986-city-of-austin-prepares-to-decriminalize-abortion-if-roe-v-wade-is-struck-down/

City of Austin prepares to decriminalize abortion if Roe v. Wade is struck down
“It does not directly halt enforcement, but it severely limits the ability of the city or any staff to collect or provide evidence for prosecutions.”

Kinda gonna be hard to do when the entire state bans it.
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 31, 2022 9:10 pm

Islamic Essarn wrote:
Katganistan wrote:It's not benevolent at all.


Please look up benevolent sexism before you comment because I’m so tired of explaining what it is too people

*Incorrectly explaining is the proper term you're looking for.
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Tue May 31, 2022 9:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/3506986-city-of-austin-prepares-to-decriminalize-abortion-if-roe-v-wade-is-struck-down/

City of Austin prepares to decriminalize abortion if Roe v. Wade is struck down
“It does not directly halt enforcement, but it severely limits the ability of the city or any staff to collect or provide evidence for prosecutions.”

first the south wants state rights, now the south wants city rights
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Postby Armeattla » Tue May 31, 2022 11:08 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/3506986-city-of-austin-prepares-to-decriminalize-abortion-if-roe-v-wade-is-struck-down/

City of Austin prepares to decriminalize abortion if Roe v. Wade is struck down
“It does not directly halt enforcement, but it severely limits the ability of the city or any staff to collect or provide evidence for prosecutions.”

first the south wants state rights, now the south wants city rights

They want city rights to protect themselves against state rights!
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:44 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/3506986-city-of-austin-prepares-to-decriminalize-abortion-if-roe-v-wade-is-struck-down/

City of Austin prepares to decriminalize abortion if Roe v. Wade is struck down
“It does not directly halt enforcement, but it severely limits the ability of the city or any staff to collect or provide evidence for prosecutions.”

first the south wants state rights, now the south wants city rights


Before you know it, we will be down to personal rights.
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Postby Armeattla » Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:50 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:first the south wants state rights, now the south wants city rights


Before you know it, we will be down to personal rights.

I would say party rights come before that- Wait--
That's already a thing, it's called religious exemptions.
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Postby Islamic Essarn » Wed Jun 01, 2022 10:38 am

New haven america wrote:
Islamic Essarn wrote:
Please look up benevolent sexism before you comment because I’m so tired of explaining what it is too people

*Incorrectly explaining is the proper term you're looking for.


As if your some kind of expert on it.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:49 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/3506986-city-of-austin-prepares-to-decriminalize-abortion-if-roe-v-wade-is-struck-down/

City of Austin prepares to decriminalize abortion if Roe v. Wade is struck down
“It does not directly halt enforcement, but it severely limits the ability of the city or any staff to collect or provide evidence for prosecutions.”

first the south wants state rights, now the south wants city rights

Pro Choice Argument 101

Ladies and Gentleman we've gone full circle.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:51 pm

Islamic Essarn wrote:
Katganistan wrote:It's not benevolent at all.


Please look up benevolent sexism before you comment because I’m so tired of explaining what it is too people


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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:53 pm

I'm personally opposed to abortion. Not for moral reasons but because I find it funny that women will have to be responsible for their own choices and they act like it's the end of the world. Not having sex isn't life or death.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:54 pm

Bonggongland wrote:I'm personally opposed to abortion. Not for moral reasons but because I find it funny that women will have to be responsible for their own choices and they act like it's the end of the world. Not having sex isn't life or death.


So what gives you the right to dictate how women can use their bodies?
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:55 pm

Bonggongland wrote:I'm personally opposed to abortion. Not for moral reasons but because I find it funny that women will have to be responsible for their own choices and they act like it's the end of the world. Not having sex isn't life or death.

Going into labor is very painful though

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Postby Equai » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:55 pm

Bonggongland wrote:I'm personally opposed to abortion. Not for moral reasons but because I find it funny that women will have to be responsible for their own choices and they act like it's the end of the world. Not having sex isn't life or death.

In most if not all events (only counting consentual sexual activities here) it's not the woman's fault that she became unwantdly pregnant but man's for not wanting to wear protection when having sex.
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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:55 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:I'm personally opposed to abortion. Not for moral reasons but because I find it funny that women will have to be responsible for their own choices and they act like it's the end of the world. Not having sex isn't life or death.


So what gives you the right to dictate how women can use their bodies?


What gives women the right to dictate if a child lives?

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:56 pm

Bonggongland wrote:I'm personally opposed to abortion. Not for moral reasons but because I find it funny that women will have to be responsible for their own choices and they act like it's the end of the world. Not having sex isn't life or death.


First question, what if the woman didn't choose to have sex?

Second, why do you find punishing people for doing something they like funny?

Finally, for some women pregnancy can be the end of the world, since death from childbirth is a thing.
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:56 pm

Bonggongland wrote:I'm personally opposed to abortion. Not for moral reasons but because I find it funny that women will have to be responsible for their own choices and they act like it's the end of the world. Not having sex isn't life or death.

...What about abortion isn't taking responsibility?
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Postby Equai » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:56 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:I'm personally opposed to abortion. Not for moral reasons but because I find it funny that women will have to be responsible for their own choices and they act like it's the end of the world. Not having sex isn't life or death.


So what gives you the right to dictate how women can use their bodies?

ALSO THIS ^
Only women can decide what they do with their bodies. It's their right to choose.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:57 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what gives you the right to dictate how women can use their bodies?


What gives women the right to dictate if a child lives?


That the fetus is using her body. If the fetus wasn't using her body she wouldn't have a say over it.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:57 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what gives you the right to dictate how women can use their bodies?


What gives women the right to dictate if a child lives?


>not for moral reasons

>resorts to moralising when challenged
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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:57 pm

Equai wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:I'm personally opposed to abortion. Not for moral reasons but because I find it funny that women will have to be responsible for their own choices and they act like it's the end of the world. Not having sex isn't life or death.

In most if not all events (only counting consentual sexual activities here) it's not the woman's fault that she became unwantdly pregnant but man's for not wanting to wear protection when having sex.


Birth control is a thing you misandrist troll.

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Postby Equai » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:58 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what gives you the right to dictate how women can use their bodies?


What gives women the right to dictate if a child lives?

Child is not a child until it leaves the womb. As long the thing is inside her it's not a child and she has right to abort it because it's just a bunch of cells.
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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:58 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:
What gives women the right to dictate if a child lives?


>not for moral reasons

>resorts to moralising when challenged


No, it's a tit for tat response. My response is in the same vein as yours. Easy to understand if you don't spend your whole life hating men

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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:59 pm

Equai wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:
What gives women the right to dictate if a child lives?

Child is not a child until it leaves the womb. As long the thing is inside her it's not a child and she has right to abort it because it's just a bunch of cells.


What gives you the right to define what life is?

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:59 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
>not for moral reasons

>resorts to moralising when challenged


No, it's a tit for tat response. My response is in the same vein as yours. Easy to understand if you don't spend your whole life hating men

...what in the world does anything here have to do with that lmfao
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