Australian Political & Infrastructure Discussion Thread

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

Friendlyjordies dismantling the Liberal's "Good Economic Manager" shtick

Ah yes, FriendlyJordies, the guy who filmed himself being a serial pest in regards to reciving a law suite he deemed frivolous, the guy who's made tokenistic videos of him criticising specific ALP members (whilst praising the party as a whole), in order to debunk accusations of him being an ALP shill, the guy who does nothing but criticise the LNP for things that the ALP does the same, if not worse, and claims that ALP is better because of the things that LNP does. That guy. He's released a new video about how bad the LNP is. Imagine my shock. I don't understand how anyone takes him seriously...

Jordan has gone to great lengths to emphasise,
that he gets the constant comments of "You r biased, you no say LaboUr is just as bad like teh rest of media d0es",
and has constantly been at debunking this argument for a good 6-7 years.

And the reason the media does this is to make natural Labor voters
(i.e. young people and the working class) despondent, then when the Liberals
are given more time to talk than Labor,
who do you think voters will gravitate towards?

[Australian rePublic]

Ah yes, FriendlyJordies, the guy who filmed himself being a serial pest in regards to reciving a law suite he deemed frivolous, the guy who's made tokenistic videos of him criticising specific ALP members (whilst praising the party as a whole), in order to debunk accusations of him being an ALP shill, the guy who does nothing but criticise the LNP for things that the ALP does the same, if not worse, and claims that ALP is better because of the things that LNP does. That guy. He's released a new video about how bad the LNP is. Imagine my shock. I don't understand how anyone takes him seriously...

Jordan has gone to great lengths to emphasise,
that he gets the constant comments of "You r biased, you no say LaboUr is just as bad like teh rest of media d0es",
and has constantly been at debunking this argument for a good 6-7 years.

And the reason the media does this is to make natural Labor voters
(i.e. young people and the working class) despondent, then when the Liberals
are given more time to talk than Labor,
who do you think voters will gravitate towards?

He has never made a good argument about any of that which you claim. Aside from the fact that the LNP is just as criticised by most media outlets as the ALP is, he's never debunked any of it. He just pretends to. If anyone were to ever have a serious discussion with him about the topic, he'd run home crying.

[Perikuresu]

He has never made a good argument about any of that which you claim. Aside from the fact that the LNP is just as criticised by most media outlets as the ALP is, he's never debunked any of it. He just pretends to. If anyone were to ever have a serious discussion with him about the topic, he'd run home crying.

Hm, I wonder what u think his arguments are, I watch him from time to time, but you admit that you don't watch him + you respond to my posts linking to his videoes without watching it

[Australian rePublic]

He has never made a good argument about any of that which you claim. Aside from the fact that the LNP is just as criticised by most media outlets as the ALP is, he's never debunked any of it. He just pretends to. If anyone were to ever have a serious discussion with him about the topic, he'd run home crying.

Hm, I wonder what u think his arguments are, I watch him from time to time, but you admit that you don't watch him + you respond to my posts linking to his videoes without watching it

I do watch him. I just didn't watch that one particular video (mostly because I have no reason to suspect that it won't be the same bullshit
verbatim that he usually spins). I've seen his other videos and stand by my convictions

[Perikuresu]

I love government ads.

[Imperial isa]

I love government ads.

As long as it not a clive palmer ad i can live with them.

All any of you looking forward to the Queensland qlympics with virtual sports?

[Australian rePublic]

I love government ads.

Ah yes. Juice media. The left wing's answer to Sky News

[Shrillland]

I love government ads.

Ah yes. Juice media. The left wing's answer to Sky News

Hey now. Sky News has the advantage in that they don't intend to be hilarious.

[Australian rePublic]

Ah yes. Juice media. The left wing's answer to Sky News

Hey now. Sky News has the advantage in that they don't intend to be hilarious.

Calling yourself satyr doesn't mean that you're not spewing complete nonsense. Unless you're intentionally spewing nonsense, but that's not Juice Media's angle

[Australian rePublic]

So, in Australia, we have strong right-winged political voices like Pauline Hanson and Sky News, we have extremely far-far-left political voices, like the Greens or Juice Media, and we have people like Clive Palmer who are off with the fairies and complete nut bags macerating as right-winged. I think that the far left are more dangerous than the far right, because they genuinely believe that Australia is the best country on Earth, and their not really nut case extremists, like fascists or NAZIs, but ultimately, it's like choosing between a pile of manure vs a pile of garbage. And that's if we exclude Clive Palmer from the discussion. Clive Palmer is an off with the fairies kind of head case, who, if I didn't know any better would have sworn was a troll politician, like Vermin Supreme. My favourite party is the Australian Values Party, but sadly, I don't think that they have any representation in my seat (where can I find this out?)

[Australian rePublic]

Ah yes, FriendlyJordies, the guy who filmed himself being a serial pest in regards to reciving a law suite he deemed frivolous, the guy who's made tokenistic videos of him criticising specific ALP members (whilst praising the party as a whole), in order to debunk accusations of him being an ALP shill, the guy who does nothing but criticise the LNP for things that the ALP does the same, if not worse, and claims that ALP is better because of the things that LNP does. That guy. He's released a new video about how bad the LNP is. Imagine my shock. I don't understand how anyone takes him seriously...

Jordan has gone to great lengths to emphasise,
that he gets the constant comments of "You r biased, you no say LaboUr is just as bad like teh rest of media d0es",
and has constantly been at debunking this argument for a good 6-7 years.

And the reason the media does this is to make natural Labor voters
(i.e. young people and the working class) despondent, then when the Liberals
are given more time to talk than Labor,
who do you think voters will gravitate towards?

Not true. Libs and Labor both get fair amounts of air time. As for who do I think will win the election, I think it'll be Labor with a slim majority and perhaps a hung parliament, with lots of votes going to minor parties

[Shrillland]

Jordan has gone to great lengths to emphasise,
that he gets the constant comments of "You r biased, you no say LaboUr is just as bad like teh rest of media d0es",
and has constantly been at debunking this argument for a good 6-7 years.

And the reason the media does this is to make natural Labor voters
(i.e. young people and the working class) despondent, then when the Liberals
are given more time to talk than Labor,
who do you think voters will gravitate towards?

Not true. Libs and Labor both get fair amounts of air time. As for who do I think will win the election, I think it'll be Labor with a slim majority and perhaps a hung parliament, with lots of votes going to minor parties

A hung Senate? Is the Left doomed worldwide to squander its electoral victories on not having enough people to do anything? Still, 30% for across the board third-parties shows a huge lack of support for both parties.

[Australian rePublic]

Not true. Libs and Labor both get fair amounts of air time. As for who do I think will win the election, I think it'll be Labor with a slim majority and perhaps a hung parliament, with lots of votes going to minor parties

A hung Senate? Is the Left doomed worldwide to squander its electoral victories on not having enough people to do anything? Still, 30% for across the board third-parties shows a huge lack of support for both parties.

I don't like either major party, I just think that the LIbs are the lesser of two evils, and am voting for a minor party. Where can I see which are available in my seat?

[Shrillland]

A hung Senate? Is the Left doomed worldwide to squander its electoral victories on not having enough people to do anything? Still, 30% for across the board third-parties shows a huge lack of support for both parties.

I don't like either major party, I just think that the LIbs are the lesser of two evils, and am voting for a minor party. Where can I see which are available in my seat?

Right here on ABC's website

[Australian rePublic]

I don't like either major party, I just think that the LIbs are the lesser of two evils, and am voting for a minor party. Where can I see which are available in my seat?

Right here on ABC's website

Cheers!

[Perikuresu]

I love government ads.

Ah yes. Juice media. The left wing's answer to Sky News

What? What do they spill that is nonsense?

I think that the far left are more dangerous than the far right, because they genuinely believe that Australia is the best country on Earth, and their not really nut case extremists, like fascists or NAZIs

I have heard the Far Left criticise their country more than the far right (or is it just some stereotype, either way, this sounds sorta wrong)

[Australian rePublic]

Ah yes. Juice media. The left wing's answer to Sky News

What? What do they spill that is nonsense?

I think that the far left are more dangerous than the far right, because they genuinely believe that Australia is the best country on Earth, and their not really nut case extremists, like fascists or NAZIs

I have heard the Far Left criticise their country more than the far right (or is it just some stereotype, either way, this sounds sorta wrong)

It's not exactly nonsense, but extreme, exaggerated left-winged propoganda. As far as the whole far right vs far left thing, I've actually heard both sides speak

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

So, in Australia, we have strong right-winged political voices like Pauline Hanson and Sky News, we have extremely far-far-left political voices, like the Greens or Juice Media, and we have people like Clive Palmer who are off with the fairies and complete nut bags macerating as right-winged. I think that the far left are more dangerous than the far right, because they genuinely believe that Australia is the best country on Earth, and their not really nut case extremists, like fascists or NAZIs, but ultimately, it's like choosing between a pile of manure vs a pile of garbage. And that's if we exclude Clive Palmer from the discussion. Clive Palmer is an off with the fairies kind of head case, who, if I didn't know any better would have sworn was a troll politician, like Vermin Supreme. My favourite party is the Australian Values Party, but sadly, I don't think that they have any representation in my seat (where can I find this out?)

You see, that's the thing about centrists. You can't have a mix of
'Christian fundamentalism' and 'secularism' - it's absurd.
https://drhurd.com/2018/07/04/the-problem-with-centrism/
https://www.theatlantic.com/membership/archive/2018/08/the-impossibility-of-centrism/566570/
Also, what about Michael West? He does good journalism.

[Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts]

He has never made a good argument about any of that which you claim. Aside from the fact that the LNP is just as criticised by most media outlets as the ALP is, he's never debunked any of it. He just pretends to. If anyone were to ever have a serious discussion with him about the topic, he'd run home crying.

But the media softballs it. When Albo makes a gaffe.....OMG, HOW CAN WE TRUST THIS MAN?! for a week straight, yet when Scott makes a gaffe, "Liberal Party announces it'll create 1.1m jobs. Yaron Finkelstein, how will they do it?"
And besides, Scott was hosting a soiree attended by the press. Who do you think they'll back?
Peter Costello is the head of Nine.
Ita Buttrose has raised millions for the Liberals in her career.
Rupert Murdoch.....obvious LNP support is obvious.
Kerry Stokes is a gas tycoon.

So there's that too. "The media is critical of the LNP as well"
doesn't really work. Yeah, it's true, I guess, but look at how interviews
are positioned.
Interview with Albo: WHAT'S PI DOWN TO THE 4,000TH DIGIT?!
Interview with Scott: How will the Coalition create 1.1 million jobs?

[Australian rePublic]

So, in Australia, we have strong right-winged political voices like Pauline Hanson and Sky News, we have extremely far-far-left political voices, like the Greens or Juice Media, and we have people like Clive Palmer who are off with the fairies and complete nut bags macerating as right-winged. I think that the far left are more dangerous than the far right, because they genuinely believe that Australia is the best country on Earth, and their not really nut case extremists, like fascists or NAZIs, but ultimately, it's like choosing between a pile of manure vs a pile of garbage. And that's if we exclude Clive Palmer from the discussion. Clive Palmer is an off with the fairies kind of head case, who, if I didn't know any better would have sworn was a troll politician, like Vermin Supreme. My favourite party is the Australian Values Party, but sadly, I don't think that they have any representation in my seat (where can I find this out?)

You see, that's the thing about centrists. You can't have a mix of
'Christian fundamentalism' and 'secularism' - it's absurd.
https://drhurd.com/2018/07/04/the-problem-with-centrism/
https://www.theatlantic.com/membership/archive/2018/08/the-impossibility-of-centrism/566570/
Also, what about Michael West? He does good journalism.

No one said that you can have a mix of Christian fundamentalism and secularism. That's a really bad strawman of our position. Also, who's Michael West. Can't say I've ever heard of him till now. Here's what I actually believe
1. Since you mentioned religion- I am a secularist, but, I don't have any issues against religious schools, be it Christian, Muslim, Bhudist or otherwise, as long as they teach critical thinking and actual science. I also don't think that religions (any religion, be it Christianity, Islam, etc) should be taxed AS LONG AS they can prove they are doing some kind of good. There are a lot of organisations macerating as religion to maximise prophet and reduce tax, and they absolutely should be taxed, but otherwise, legit religions who do good for the community should have tax free status. And yes, that applies to my own religion. If they find significant, systematic levels of corruption in my religion, the government should clamp down it
2. I support welfare, and am even open to the idea of a social credit score. However, I oppose maximum wages and see no reason why no body should be allowed to be a billionaire or even trillionaire. It matters not how much money the wealthy have, it matters how much money the poor have
3. I heavily support universal education and universal health care. I also support subsidising private schools and private hospitals in order to reduce the stress on the public system
4. I support business fully, and businesses, especially small businesses receiving subsidies.

As far as the economy is concerned, I am a centrist. Incidentally, Australia, economically is mostly centrist. Besides tweaking a few things, I would keep the status quo, because, for the most part, the status quo works better than any other system in all of human history. It's not perfect, especially for the poor, but tweaking it will fix it. One potential method of fixing it is, as I said, a universal basic income, something which we could experiment with. Ask me about other policies and I'll tell you where I stand. Note here, that that only applies to economics and religion. In terms of other matters, Australia has significant systematic problems. One of which is the nanny state

[Perikuresu]

~~snip~

Michael West's an independent journalists who does a lot of reporting especially on the government's corruption iirc

[Australian rePublic]

~~snip~

Michael West's an independent journalists who does a lot of reporting especially on the government's corruption iirc

I see. I guess I should look into him

[Perikuresu]

Spy chief suggests Chinese officials are increasingly feeding information to Australian agencies
Not sure whether this is exaggerated, underplayed, fake, nor real, so tread carefully

[Shrillland]

Well, folks, 15-hour time differences mean that I should've done this yesterday, but no matter. Here is my take on next week.

The last time Autralians went to get their democracy sausages, what came out of it was openly defying 50 consecutive polls with a LNP Majority and Tony Abbott's unusually sage advice about the troubles of voting for pro-climate measures. Now, however, Labor is ahead in far larger numbers both in first preference and TPP polls, and they also managed to eat the Liberals alive in South Australia back in March. Even One Nation is directing polls toward Labor as their number two in five seats, so I'm quite confident that it will be a Labor victory and that miracles won't happen twice. Whether Labor gets a majority with Albanese's somewhat middling popularity remains to be seen, but I think they'll get 74-77 seats with LNP going down to 70-72.

[Perikuresu]

Well, folks, 15-hour time differences mean that I should've done this yesterday, but no matter. Here is my take on next week.

The last time Autralians went to get their democracy sausages, what came out of it was openly defying 50 consecutive polls with a LNP Majority and Tony Abbott's unusually sage advice about the troubles of voting for pro-climate measures. Now, however, Labor is ahead in far larger numbers both in first preference and TPP polls, and they also managed to eat the Liberals alive in South Australia back in March. Even One Nation is directing polls toward Labor as their number two in five seats, so I'm quite confident that it will be a Labor victory and that miracles won't happen twice. Whether Labor gets a majority with Albanese's somewhat middling popularity remains to be seen, but I think they'll get 74-77 seats with LNP going down to 70-72.

Honestly uh.... Whilst it does look like a Labor victory there's a week for something to blow up in Albo's face, not to mention that the last time we thought it was a Labor victory ScoMo somehow won so I'm not gonna hold my breath