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Is the US right to sanction ICC officials?

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No
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Sanction Hasselhoff instead
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:00 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
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unlawful orders are followed all the time, hence the 'war crimes' those ungrateful little shits in Kabul are complaining about.


Still, those yankees are still going to incur the wrath of many nations.

Europe will not just "sit there and whine".

Except that’s exactly what Europe does because tbh they don’t give a fuck about international law either. I know france doesn’t. Ya know the nation which blew up a green peace vessel
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Postby Loben III » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:00 am

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New yugoslavaia wrote:
Still, those yankees are still going to incur the wrath of many nations.

Europe will not just "sit there and whine".


Yeah, we will.

Europe remembers what having a war rage across a continent looks like, America doesn't.


that was a good war, against a proper enemy.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:00 am

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Say it to a Pakistani. It's the British equivalent of nigger.


dunno if you know but the US is not the UK.


And you're on an international forum. So be nice.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:00 am

Loben III wrote:unlawful orders are followed all the time

Why should this hypothetical one be followed? Are you saying US-state sponsored terrorism is good?

Loben III wrote: hence the 'war crimes' those ungrateful little shits in Kabul are complaining about.

Yes, war crimes, things that tend to be pretty no bueno. We had a whole thing about that 75 years ago.
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Postby Loben III » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:01 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Loben III wrote:unlawful orders are followed all the time

Why should this hypothetical one be followed? Are you saying US-state sponsored terrorism is good?

Loben III wrote: hence the 'war crimes' those ungrateful little shits in Kabul are complaining about.

Yes, war crimes, things that tend to be pretty no bueno. We had a whole thing about that 75 years ago.


was anyone prosecuted for sinking the wilhelm Gustloff?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:02 am

Loben III wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Still, those yankees are still going to incur the wrath of many nations.

Europe will not just "sit there and whine".


and do what?

bomb Ramstein and throw the american public into a frenzy that 'they killed our boys!'?


We also have the capability to turn North America into a glowing parking lot. And all our missiles are sub based so no guarantee you'd get to strike back.

You should remember that. :)

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Postby Insaanistan » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:02 am

Did Loben seriously put war crimes in quotes? As if they don’t happen in Afghanistan?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:02 am

Remember, the US can never be at fault and hates having to play by the same rules as everyone else, it seems.
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Postby Loben III » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:03 am

Insaanistan wrote:Did Loben seriously put war crimes in quotes? As if they don’t happen in Afghanistan?

war crimes dont apply to insurgents in my view.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:03 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Loben III wrote:unlawful orders are followed all the time

Why should this hypothetical one be followed? Are you saying US-state sponsored terrorism is good?

Loben III wrote: hence the 'war crimes' those ungrateful little shits in Kabul are complaining about.

Yes, war crimes, things that tend to be pretty no bueno. We had a whole thing about that 75 years ago.

Depends on if it’s state sponsored terrorism or not. One could definitely argue that sending special forces to the Hague to defeat America’s enemies wouldn’t be state sponsored terrorism.
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Postby Loben III » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:04 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Loben III wrote:
and do what?

bomb Ramstein and throw the american public into a frenzy that 'they killed our boys!'?


We also have the capability to turn North America into a glowing parking lot. And all our missiles are sub based so no guarantee you'd get to strike back.

You should remember that. :)


you want that on our conscious go right ahead, knowing your people it'd be guilt tripping and borderline suicidal self hatred for decades.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:05 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Loben III wrote:
and do what?

bomb Ramstein and throw the american public into a frenzy that 'they killed our boys!'?


We also have the capability to turn North America into a glowing parking lot. And all our missiles are sub based so no guarantee you'd get to strike back.

You should remember that. :)

And we also have second strike capability so London and the rest of the UK would also be a glowing wasteland
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:06 am

Vassenor wrote:Remember, the US can never be at fault and hates having to play by the same rules as everyone else, it seems.

In this case nobody really plays by the same rules. The ICC only has jurisdiction in certain areas of the world
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:07 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Why should this hypothetical one be followed? Are you saying US-state sponsored terrorism is good?


Yes, war crimes, things that tend to be pretty no bueno. We had a whole thing about that 75 years ago.

Depends on if it’s state sponsored terrorism or not. One could definitely argue that sending special forces to the Hague to defeat America’s enemies wouldn’t be state sponsored terrorism.

It would be state sponsored terrorism, you’d be basically gunning down a bunch of civilians for petty political reasons, and not for anything particularly substantial.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:08 am

Let's just saying attacking Hague would be a dick move.
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ICC aren't terrorists.
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Postby Insaanistan » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:08 am

Loben III wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Did Loben seriously put war crimes in quotes? As if they don’t happen in Afghanistan?

war crimes dont apply to insurgents in my view.


So everyone in Afghanistan is an insurgent? Because there are reports of some soldiers shooting civilians knowing they’re civilians.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:08 am

Thermodolia wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Still, those yankees are still going to incur the wrath of many nations.

Europe will not just "sit there and whine".

Except that’s exactly what Europe does because tbh they don’t give a fuck about international law either. I know france doesn’t. Ya know the nation which blew up a green peace vessel

European nations do care about international law, exactly like the US does. We have our own reputations that we want to protect, our own interests that we're pursuing.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:09 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Depends on if it’s state sponsored terrorism or not. One could definitely argue that sending special forces to the Hague to defeat America’s enemies wouldn’t be state sponsored terrorism.

It would be state sponsored terrorism, you’d be basically gunning down a bunch of civilians for petty political reasons, and not for anything particularly substantial.


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Postby Loben III » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:09 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Loben III wrote:war crimes dont apply to insurgents in my view.


So everyone in Afghanistan is an insurgent? Because there are reports of some soldiers shooting civilians knowing they’re civilians.


and they should be prosecuted by US, not the ICC.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:10 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Depends on if it’s state sponsored terrorism or not. One could definitely argue that sending special forces to the Hague to defeat America’s enemies wouldn’t be state sponsored terrorism.

It would be state sponsored terrorism, you’d be basically gunning down a bunch of civilians for petty political reasons, and not for anything particularly substantial.

You could definitely say that “the ICC is a terrorist organization and a threat to American national security and her interests. We had to act with force to defeat this threat”

And don’t say nobody would buy that either, remember we lied our way into Iraq, we could definitely lie our way out of this one.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:10 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Remember, the US can never be at fault and hates having to play by the same rules as everyone else, it seems.

In this case nobody really plays by the same rules. The ICC only has jurisdiction in certain areas of the world


And the crimes they are investigating occurred in an area where they have jurisdiction.

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:10 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Except that’s exactly what Europe does because tbh they don’t give a fuck about international law either. I know france doesn’t. Ya know the nation which blew up a green peace vessel

European nations do care about international law, exactly like the US does. We have our own reputations that we want to protect, our own interests that we're pursuing.


Like not allowing foreign special forces to murder their own citizens.
Besides, the US is the aggressor in this situation. They sanctioned the ICC, not the other way around.
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Postby Loben III » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:10 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It would be state sponsored terrorism, you’d be basically gunning down a bunch of civilians for petty political reasons, and not for anything particularly substantial.

You could definitely say that “the ICC is a terrorist organization and a threat to American national security and her interests. We had to act with force to defeat this threat”

And don’t say nobody would buy that either, remember we lied our way into Iraq, we could definitely lie our way out of this one.


we also bombed Serbia for Kosovo for some harebrained reason too.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:11 am

Loben III wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
So everyone in Afghanistan is an insurgent? Because there are reports of some soldiers shooting civilians knowing they’re civilians.


and they should be prosecuted by US, not the ICC.


Why? If an American kills someone in France then they are prosecuted under French law.

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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:11 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Except that’s exactly what Europe does because tbh they don’t give a fuck about international law either. I know france doesn’t. Ya know the nation which blew up a green peace vessel

European nations do care about international law, exactly like the US does. We have our own reputations that we want to protect, our own interests that we're pursuing.

I mean, if we cared about international law like the US does, that would mean we don't give a fuck about it and we would penalise international courts for not acting like our bitches.
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