Violence Outbreak in Kenosha WI

[West Leas Oros 2]

That explains why every attempt at creating a society following their model lasted about as long as an ice cube on the sun.

What societies have been founded on anarchy?

Depends, are we counting only the successful ones?

Mind you, I said "attempt at creating". There have been no societies founded on anarchy because, in practice, it is impossible to succeed at such.

[The Lone Alliance]

What societies have been founded on anarchy?

Depends, are we counting only the successful ones?

Mind you, I said "attempt at creating". There have been no societies founded on anarchy because, in practice, it is impossible to succeed at such.

The closest anyone got in "Modern" times was Makhnovia and that only lasted until the Soviets decided they was no longer useful to them in the Russian Civil War.

[Greed and Death]

Depends, are we counting only the successful ones?

Mind you, I said "attempt at creating". There have been no societies founded on anarchy because, in practice, it is impossible to succeed at such.

The closest anyone got in "Modern" times was Makhnovia and that only lasted until the Soviets decided they was no longer useful to them in the Russian Civil War.

A few cropped up during the Spanish civil war as well.

[West Leas Oros 2]

The closest anyone got in "Modern" times was Makhnovia and that only lasted until the Soviets decided they was no longer useful to them in the Russian Civil War.

A few cropped up during the Spanish civil war as well.

And how well did they do for themselves?

[Greed and Death]

A few cropped up during the Spanish civil war as well.

And how well did they do for themselves?

The same as the soviet ones, pretty well until the tyrant massacred them.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

What societies have been founded on anarchy?

Depends, are we counting only the successful ones?

Mind you, I said "attempt at creating". There have been no societies founded on anarchy because, in practice, it is impossible to succeed at such.

EZLN is on its 26th year.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Depends, are we counting only the successful ones?

Mind you, I said "attempt at creating". There have been no societies founded on anarchy because, in practice, it is impossible to succeed at such.

EZLN is on its 26th year.

EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

anarchy be like

Set gamemode: free for all

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

EZLN is on its 26th year.

EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.

Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?

Speaking of cartels, the Zapatista areas have a remarkably low rate of crime and are free of the drug cartels.

Well, yes, it does exist because the Mexican government isn't that bothered by it. Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?

[West Leas Oros 2]

EZLN is on its 26th year.

EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.

Honestly, wanking about the Zapatistas is such a tired trope now. And to what extent are they even "anarchists"? Clearly they aren't living up to the utopian pipe dreams that anarchists think.
Also, when was the last time EZLN had any relevance in politics? If this is the best Anarchism has to offer, then you may as well give up.

[West Leas Oros 2]

EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.

Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?

Speaking of cartels, the Zapatista areas have a remarkably low rate of crime and are free of the drug cartels.

Well, yes, it does exist because the Mexican government isn't that bothered by it. Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?

Hard to have crime when there are no laws to begin with.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.

Honestly, wanking about the Zapatistas is such a tired trope now. And to what extent are they even "anarchists"? Clearly they aren't living up to the utopian pipe dreams that anarchists think.
Also, when was the last time EZLN had any relevance in politics? If this is the best Anarchism has to offer, then you may as well give up.

People seem to have this weird fetish for gatekeeping what anarchism is. Don't do it.

Unsurprisingly, a polity comprising a small section of the Lacandon Jungle is not a global superpower.

Is democracy bad because Nauru is democratic, and Nauru has zero political relevance?

[Washington Resistance Army]

EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.

Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?

When you can control a region for nearly 3 decades and it's still on average worse off than areas that are effectively warzones it's a very poor demonstration of your ideologies ability to function in the real world.

Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?

My metric for evaluating governments is how much they improve their nation and the lives of the people living within it. The EZLN is a pretty abject failure in that regard.

[Northern Davincia]

Honestly, wanking about the Zapatistas is such a tired trope now. And to what extent are they even "anarchists"? Clearly they aren't living up to the utopian pipe dreams that anarchists think.
Also, when was the last time EZLN had any relevance in politics? If this is the best Anarchism has to offer, then you may as well give up.

People seem to have this weird fetish for gatekeeping what anarchism is. Don't do it.

Unsurprisingly, a polity comprising a small section of the Lacandon Jungle is not a global superpower.

Is democracy bad because Nauru is democratic, and Nauru has zero political relevance?

Democracy is bad for lots of other reasons.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?

Speaking of cartels, the Zapatista areas have a remarkably low rate of crime and are free of the drug cartels.

Well, yes, it does exist because the Mexican government isn't that bothered by it. Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?

Hard to have crime when there are no laws to begin with.

Would it kill you to just look up what social anarchism is?

There are laws, and many of the basic trappings of a state.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Hard to have crime when there are no laws to begin with.

Would it kill you to just look up what social anarchism is?

There are laws, and many of the basic trappings of a state.

Not in practice. You can talk all this utopian stuff day after day, the rest of us will follow the functional model.

[Diopolis]

Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?

Speaking of cartels, the Zapatista areas have a remarkably low rate of crime and are free of the drug cartels.

Well, yes, it does exist because the Mexican government isn't that bothered by it. Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?

Hard to have crime when there are no laws to begin with.

The zapatistas have laws.

[Loben III]

Hard to have crime when there are no laws to begin with.

The zapatistas have laws.

not really anarchists then.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?

When you can control a region for nearly 3 decades and it's still on average worse off than areas that are effectively warzones it's a very poor demonstration of your ideologies ability to function in the real world.

Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?

My metric for evaluating governments is how much they improve their nation and the lives of the people living within it. The EZLN is a pretty abject failure in that regard.

Another thing to point out is that the EZLN has a pretty strong environmentalist and anti-development philosophy. For example, they've recently been opposing AmLo's Maya Train project. Their goals aren't the same as yours. Measuring their success based on a metric that they don't themselves care about is obviously going to be misleading.

Besides, the standard of living has improved.

"Tangible gains in terms of women’s rights, autonomous education, and health care have further fortified Zapatista infrastructure."

The article also notes that they follow a policy of not accepting any Mexican government funds, which has impeded expansion into nearby villages that rely on farming subsidies.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Honestly, wanking about the Zapatistas is such a tired trope now. And to what extent are they even "anarchists"? Clearly they aren't living up to the utopian pipe dreams that anarchists think.
Also, when was the last time EZLN had any relevance in politics? If this is the best Anarchism has to offer, then you may as well give up.

People seem to have this weird fetish for gatekeeping what anarchism is. Don't do it.

Unsurprisingly, a polity comprising a small section of the Lacandon Jungle is not a global superpower.

Is democracy bad because Nauru is democratic, and Nauru has zero political relevance?

The anarchists seem to be the ones calling anything that doesn't live up to their expectation as "not REAL anarchism!".

Also, your comparison is comically weak. Democracy is practiced across the world, in nations both powerful and not. Anarchism exists only in some random region of nowhere and in the heads of LARPers and edgy 16 year olds. Democracy works and is a realistic philosophy. Anarchism is not.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

The zapatistas have laws.

not really anarchists then.

Anarchism is more broad than what you think it means.

Once again, I find people have a surprisingly strong desire to gatekeep what constitutes anarchism, to the point of pushing the term to a point of uselessness.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Hard to have crime when there are no laws to begin with.

The zapatistas have laws.

I doubt they enforce them.

[Galloism]

Ok guys, no one was trying to create an anarchistic society in Kenosha, nor move the entire town of Kenosha to Mexico. Thread topic is thataway.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

People seem to have this weird fetish for gatekeeping what anarchism is. Don't do it.

Unsurprisingly, a polity comprising a small section of the Lacandon Jungle is not a global superpower.

Is democracy bad because Nauru is democratic, and Nauru has zero political relevance?

The anarchists seem to be the ones calling anything that doesn't live up to their expectation as "not REAL anarchism!".

Also, your comparison is comically weak. Democracy is practiced across the world, in nations both powerful and not. Anarchism exists only in some random region of nowhere and in the heads of LARPers and edgy 16 year olds. Democracy works and is a realistic philosophy. Anarchism is not.

I accept that the syndicates of Catalonia and the Black army of Ukraine were anarchists. What do you think was anarchist that you think anarchists don't think were anarchist?

4 or 5 hundred years ago, someone might have said this about universal suffrage:
Timocracy is practiced across the world, in nations both powerful and not. Universal suffrage exists only in some random region of nowhere and in the heads of LARPers and edgy 16 year olds. Timocracy works and is a realistic philosophy. Universal suffrage is not.

I doubt they enforce them.

And I think you're a blue pencil masquerading as a human.

Baseless speculation is fun!

[Loben III]

Ok guys, no one was trying to create an anarchistic society in Kenosha, nor move the entire town of Kenosha to Mexico. Thread topic is thataway.

regarding your previous post it does seem very much premeditated, and i wouldnt be surprised if they are more careful in the future regarding who is filming their rampages.