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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:24 pm

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My point is that we don't need gun nuts from out of town getting involved. There are plenty of locals who can and will stand up.

They’re clearly weren’t though.


Says who? Just because there were militias there doesn't mean there wasn't already enough people.
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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:24 pm

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Fairly hypocritical take to worry about crossing state lines/being in a different town when people from out of state/city came to riot and loot and burn.

Odd that you basically ignored most of what I said and focused on the most inconsequential part. ;)


17 is technically a child yes. Lots of teens handle guns/ go hunting, etc. Whatever militia he is apart of probably should not have brought him along.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:24 pm

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South Odreria 2 wrote:How do we know his weirdo militia wasn’t asked to help?


Is his militia weird? Are there facts known about it?

If it's a militia of children, i.e. if it's the case that the folk in the group the kid was part of are also children, then yeah that makes it weird.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:25 pm

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Is his militia weird? Are there facts known about it?

If it's a militia of children, i.e. if it's the case that the folk in the group the kid was part of are also children, then yeah that makes it weird.


Child soldiers? Man is America just Africa now?
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:26 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:They’re clearly weren’t though.


Says who? Just because there were militias there doesn't mean there wasn't already enough people.

The facts that businesses were being burned indicates they were not sufficiently defended.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:26 pm

Remember the Minneapolis child militia?
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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:29 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Remember the Minneapolis child militia?


Actually no. What the heck.

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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:30 pm

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Except the kid didn't just show up and start shooting. People attacked him. You seem to be getting hero and villain mixed up.

Rittenhouse had already shot someone, and a bystander, who did not have the benefit of reading about the situation online the next night, tried to stop him from shooting anyone else. Where's the villainy?


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too bad the other motherfucker had a gun.

Tragic indeed that this child was out armed in the street and not at home.


Ors Might wrote:Defend attempted assaulters from their would be victim, you mean.

From what I've heard after police shootings, these kinds of decisions, to intervene and endanger oneself or to retreat, are made in fractions of a second, and thus rather a lot of leeway must be given.


From what I have heard the kid shot to defend himself from burning objects being hurled at him. This may or may not be true.

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Postby Ors Might » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:34 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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Except the kid didn't just show up and start shooting. People attacked him. You seem to be getting hero and villain mixed up.

Rittenhouse had already shot someone, and a bystander, who did not have the benefit of reading about the situation online the next night, tried to stop him from shooting anyone else. Where's the villainy?


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too bad the other motherfucker had a gun.

Tragic indeed that this child was out armed in the street and not at home.


Ors Might wrote:Defend attempted assaulters from their would be victim, you mean.

From what I've heard after police shootings, these kinds of decisions, to intervene and endanger oneself or to retreat, are made in fractions of a second, and thus rather a lot of leeway must be given.

Whomever told you that doesn’t know what in the heck they’re talking about. Making a decision to protect yourself is entirely different than to actively engage and attack someone. Besides, melee assaults are cringe compared to dakka defense.

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Ors Might wrote:Defend attempted assaulters from their would be victim, you mean.


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Postby Ors Might » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:34 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Remember the Minneapolis child militia?

..No but you have my attention.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:34 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
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Is his militia weird? Are there facts known about it?

If it's a militia of children, i.e. if it's the case that the folk in the group the kid was part of are also children, then yeah that makes it weird.


I mean from what I understand, the Militia was actively working with the police.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:37 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Rittenhouse had already shot someone, and a bystander, who did not have the benefit of reading about the situation online the next night, tried to stop him from shooting anyone else. Where's the villainy?



Tragic indeed that this child was out armed in the street and not at home.



From what I've heard after police shootings, these kinds of decisions, to intervene and endanger oneself or to retreat, are made in fractions of a second, and thus rather a lot of leeway must be given.

Whomever told you that doesn’t know what in the heck they’re talking about. Making a decision to protect yourself is entirely different than to actively engage and attack someone. Besides, melee assaults are cringe compared to dakka defense.

In life or death situations, you use what you have to hand, internet approved or not.


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The New California Republic wrote:If it's a militia of children, i.e. if it's the case that the folk in the group the kid was part of are also children, then yeah that makes it weird.


I mean from what I understand, the Militia was actively working with the police.

Which raises questions about the complicity of the police in the various crimes that have clearly taken place.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:37 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Remember the Minneapolis child militia?


Actually no. What the heck.

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:43 pm

Ifreann wrote: In life or death situations, you use what you have to hand, internet approved or not.

Ironic
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:46 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If it's a militia of children, i.e. if it's the case that the folk in the group the kid was part of are also children, then yeah that makes it weird.


I mean from what I understand, the Militia was actively working with the police.

That just raises even more questions if true.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:02 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Odd that you basically ignored most of what I said and focused on the most inconsequential part. ;)


17 is technically a child yes. Lots of teens handle guns/ go hunting, etc. Whatever militia he is apart of probably should not have brought him along.


The age of open/concealed carry in Wisconsin is 18.

He was likely committing a felony the whole time, so much for "self defense"
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Postby Galloism » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:03 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
17 is technically a child yes. Lots of teens handle guns/ go hunting, etc. Whatever militia he is apart of probably should not have brought him along.


The age of open/concealed carry in Wisconsin is 18.

He was likely committing a felony the whole time, so much for "self defense"

That’s probably only a Class A misdemeanor, at least as far as I can tell from looking at the law as regards minors.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:09 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
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I mean from what I understand, the Militia was actively working with the police.

That just raises even more questions if true.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUms8nc_r2w

While perhaps not total cooperation, this definitely indicates some level of cooperation, if the cops are stopping to toss the militia water and thanking them for their assistance.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:17 pm

Galloism wrote:
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The age of open/concealed carry in Wisconsin is 18.

He was likely committing a felony the whole time, so much for "self defense"

That’s probably only a Class A misdemeanor, at least as far as I can tell from looking at the law as regards minors.


So the kid might walk despite illegally carrying the gun he killed two people with.

Well I don't really agree with the felony murder concept anyway. I didn't want him charged with murder, but fucking hell there should be some law to effectively prevent minors taking a gun to a public place. That's an act that's very likely to lead to bad consequences for someone.

US states could tighten up gun laws a lot, just with proper penalties for prohibited persons, without infringing any further on the rights of those legally permitted to have a gun.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:20 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
17 is technically a child yes. Lots of teens handle guns/ go hunting, etc. Whatever militia he is apart of probably should not have brought him along.


The age of open/concealed carry in Wisconsin is 18.

He was likely committing a felony the whole time, so much for "self defense"

How does that make it not self defense
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:20 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Galloism wrote:That’s probably only a Class A misdemeanor, at least as far as I can tell from looking at the law as regards minors.


So the kid might walk despite illegally carrying the gun he killed two people with.

Well I don't really agree with the felony murder concept anyway. I didn't want him charged with murder, but fucking hell there should be some law to effectively prevent minors taking a gun to a public place. That's an act that's very likely to lead to bad consequences for someone.

US states could tighten up gun laws a lot, just with proper penalties for prohibited persons, without infringing any further on the rights of those legally permitted to have a gun.


You do realize that those two lawyers who got 45 years for 'vandalism' were actually charged for having a destructive device when they shouldn't have had one right? We do have pretty severe consequences for things like that. But generally speaking, being Draconian dicks towards children doing things they shouldn't is frowned on.
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Postby Loben III » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:21 pm

so apparently the guy who was shot in the arm feigned surrender and then pulled a gun on Kyle while he was on the ground.

that motherfucker.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:25 pm

Loben III wrote:so apparently the guy who was shot in the arm feigned surrender and then pulled a gun on Kyle while he was on the ground.

that motherfucker.

Incidentally, if this were a war, that would be a war crime.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:27 pm

Galloism wrote:
Loben III wrote:so apparently the guy who was shot in the arm feigned surrender and then pulled a gun on Kyle while he was on the ground.

that motherfucker.

Incidentally, if this were a war, that would be a war crime.

Although, if this were a war, the teargas would be too.
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Postby Loben III » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:27 pm

Galloism wrote:
Loben III wrote:so apparently the guy who was shot in the arm feigned surrender and then pulled a gun on Kyle while he was on the ground.

that motherfucker.

Incidentally, if this were a war, that would be a war crime.


i dunno we have the anarchists that keep crying war crimes every time the cops disperse them so.......

they wanted a war they sure as shit got one then.
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