2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Aureumterra]

Without the 2A none of the other amendments are enforceable. Remember, the constitution is a document giving the people the power to enforce their rights on the state, not the other way around

If the 2nd Amendment is so great, then why are democracies in Europe and East Asia that don't have it more stable and functional than ours?

Is being "stable and functional" your only criteria for a successful state? Because North Korea would, by that logic, be the best country in the world

[Thermodolia]

We'll never get it, there's no reason for a party to ratify a locking amendment when the court just got packed by their enemies.

Unless the losing party sees the potential for more harm. Following FDR's four wins, Republicans proposed the amendment that limited presidents to two terms. While it was intended to be a mockery of FDR's legacy, Democrats overwhelmingly supported the amendment because they were afraid of a Republican president serving for 12 or more years.

If they didn’t support it we could have gotten 12+ years of Reagan

[Aureumterra]

Unless the losing party sees the potential for more harm. Following FDR's four wins, Republicans proposed the amendment that limited presidents to two terms. While it was intended to be a mockery of FDR's legacy, Democrats overwhelmingly supported the amendment because they were afraid of a Republican president serving for 12 or more years.

If they didn’t support it we could have gotten 12+ years of Reagan

Please don’t make me start opposing the US constitution…

[Thermodolia]

If the 2nd Amendment is so great, then why are democracies in Europe and East Asia that don't have it more stable and functional than ours?

Is being "stable and functional" your only criteria for a successful state? Because North Korea would, by that logic, be the best country in the world

Best Korea thanks you

[Telconi]

We'll never get it, there's no reason for a party to ratify a locking amendment when the court just got packed by their enemies.

Unless the losing party sees the potential for more harm. Following FDR's four wins, Republicans proposed the amendment that limited presidents to two terms. While it was intended to be a mockery of FDR's legacy, Democrats overwhelmingly supported the amendment because they were afraid of a Republican president serving for 12 or more years.

President is a much less powerful office than SCOTUS. Control of SCOTUS can and will fundamentally and permanently change the country.

[Thermodolia]

If they didn’t support it we could have gotten 12+ years of Reagan

Please don’t make me start opposing the US constitution…

Reagan was objectively shit

[Telconi]

Please don’t make me start opposing the US constitution…

Reagan was objectively shit

He was actually a human being.

[Thermodolia]

That’s why you pack the court and then ratify the amendment. That way your party remains in constitutional control

Luckily no party has close to the control necessary to ratify an amendment. If that ever happens we're finished.

Republicans almost did.

[Shrillland]

No, but when both sides experience the pain and see a problem, then the opportunity for a solution arises. It's the same thing that led to most of the 20th century's amendments being ratified.

But why implement the solution when you're behind?

Lawmakers in Washington might see it that way. Voters will just be tired of the court's numbers reaching ridiculous levels and demand hard limits be set, and quite a few PACs on both sides would get tired of the endless judicial arms race and look for a limitation as well.

[Telconi]

But why implement the solution when you're behind?

Lawmakers in Washington might see it that way. Voters will just be tired of the court's numbers reaching ridiculous levels and demand hard limits be set, and quite a few PACs on both sides would get tired of the endless judicial arms race and look for a limitation as well.

If you say so.

[Kannap]

Unless the losing party sees the potential for more harm. Following FDR's four wins, Republicans proposed the amendment that limited presidents to two terms. While it was intended to be a mockery of FDR's legacy, Democrats overwhelmingly supported the amendment because they were afraid of a Republican president serving for 12 or more years.

If they didn’t support it we could have gotten 12+ years of Reagan

That's the point I was making, despite the fact that they were on top, it was their president who was beloved and won four terms and served 12 years, they saw the opportunity for harm if the other side got to do the same thing.

[Major-Tom]

Reagan was objectively shit

He was actually a human being.

A shitty one, yeah.

[Ngelmish]

He was actually a human being.

A shitty one, yeah.

As is so often the case, the point is... not there? Literally all our presidents and would-be-presidents have been human beings, there's no good reason in engaging Tel's childish insinuation that the ones whom he dislikes are somehow not human.

[Liriena]

Trump supporters caught blocking the entrance to a voting site in Fairfax.

[Major-Tom]

Trump supporters caught blocking the entrance to a voting site in Fairfax.

Another reason why Americans on this thread who are pissed about this very real prospect should all sign up to be poll workers, barring those with crappy immune systems/a sensitivity to COVID.

[Ifreann]

Hey you’d never have to worry about the court making a decision that the majority of Americans are against

The reason the court exists is to prevent that. Tyranny of the majority is very much a thing

If 51% of the country wanted to genocide the other 49% of the country, they would have have the power to do so

If 51% of the country wants to kill the other 49%, do you think it matters what the courts say?

[Telconi]

A shitty one, yeah.

As is so often the case, the point is... not there? Literally all our presidents and would-be-presidents have been human beings, there's no good reason in engaging Tel's childish insinuation that the ones whom he dislikes are somehow not human.

There really isn't good reason to engage in your fantasy posts I never made.

[Liriena]

Trump supporters caught blocking the entrance to a voting site in Fairfax.

Another reason why Americans on this thread who are pissed about this very real prospect should all sign up to be poll workers, barring those with crappy immune systems/a sensitivity to COVID.

Also, arm the Democrats.

[Loben III]

Another reason why Americans on this thread who are pissed about this very real prospect should all sign up to be poll workers, barring those with crappy immune systems/a sensitivity to COVID.

Also, arm the Democrats.

good joke

[Ngelmish]

As is so often the case, the point is... not there? Literally all our presidents and would-be-presidents have been human beings, there's no good reason in engaging Tel's childish insinuation that the ones whom he dislikes are somehow not human.

There really isn't good reason to engage in your fantasy posts I never made.

Oh really? So what's the specific differentiation between Reagan being "actually a human being" in the context of other presidents? I fully expect that you won't resort to the childish tactic of dodging the question, that would be completely out of character.

[Thermodolia]

Trump supporters caught blocking the entrance to a voting site in Fairfax.

Another reason why Americans on this thread who are pissed about this very real prospect should all sign up to be poll workers, barring those with crappy immune systems/a sensitivity to COVID.

Even better would be to act as security for the polling sites.

Several tweets down they said the MAGAs cleared out after more security arrived. If you had people with guns standing around protecting the polling stations this wouldn’t have happened in the first place

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Trump supporters caught blocking the entrance to a voting site in Fairfax.

Lovely...

Wonder how this is going to pan out closer to the election?

[Liriena]

Also, arm the Democrats.

good joke

I'm not joking.

American right-wingers have one good point: the 2nd Amendment is there for a reason. Saving kids from being shot in their own preschools is a worthy cause, but it's about time that Democrats got as militant, organized and armed as Republicans are. Let Trump cultists try to violate other people's civil rights when those people have guns.

[Thermodolia]

Also, arm the Democrats.

good joke

One that is actually happening. Most of the recent gun purchases have been made not by your traditional gun owners but by new left wing gun owners

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Probably not a good idea to bring guns to a polling site. That's just asking for problems.