2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Kexholm and Karelia]

That's not socialism though.

And yeah, socialist policies are working great in: All of the EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc...

Do you unironically believe that socialism is when the government does stuff and the more it does the more socialist it is lol, cuz good lord this is a politically illiterate take

They also think arresting people for disagreeing with them is good

I always thought the whole "SJW" thing was a straw man until I saw this stuff

[Celritannia]

A country can have socialist policies and capitalist policies at the same time.

In theory yes, but there's no developed nation that currently does so. Safety nets and such things aren't socialist. They were literally invented by right wing German monarchists.

I do know a lot about Bismarck and him establishing one of the first set of welfare policies.
But he did so for a couple of reasons. One, the heir to the throne was sympathetic to the working class. Two, the increased industrialised workers liked the idea of socialist principles, so to curb serious destruction, he implemented some socialist principles.

[Aureumterra]

Right, cause socialism work so well in China.

East Germany.
N. Korea.
USSR.

ect ect.

That's not socialism though. And yeah, socialist policies are working great in: All of the EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc...

Again, keep it up, you're making a great case for why the US should adopt more socialist practices.

Yeah no none of these are socialist

[Shrillland]

Do you unironically believe that socialism is when the government does stuff and the more it does the more socialist it is lol, cuz good lord this is a politically illiterate take

They also think arresting people for disagreeing with them is good

I always thought the whole "SJW" thing was a straw man until I saw this stuff

Which was also, ironically, invented by a right wing priest.

[The Rich Port]

Ironically, social democracy was invented by a right-wing monarchist. Yet we constantly hear about it being "socialism" on the right.

Bismarck was totally based.

Of course Hitler lost the biggest baddest battleship in history named after a progressive monarch to a bunch of liberal-for-the-time ragamuffins in leaky boats.

The metaphors don't get better than that for fascism and reactionaries tbh.

[San Lumen]

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story ... 486994001/

Greenfield (d) leads incumbent Ernst by 3 in new poll.

[Picairn]

I do know a lot about Bismarck and him establishing one of the first set of welfare policies.
But he did so for a couple of reasons. One, the heir to the throne was sympathetic to the working class. Two, the increased industrialised workers liked the idea of socialist principles, so to curb serious destruction, he implemented some socialist principles.

Three, he wants to "bribe the working class" into submission towards the state.

[Aureumterra]

A country can have socialist policies and capitalist policies at the same time.

In theory yes, but there's no developed nation that currently does so. Safety nets and such things aren't socialist. They were literally invented by right wing German monarchists.

Based and Kaiserpilled

[Greater Miami Shores]

You think Canada is socialist?

They're social democrats, which is a belief system that incorporates both capitalist and socialist policies.

But to certain users those might as well be the same thing.

I have always posted, the European socialist democratic nations and Canada rely on a capitalist economy, and use taxation for socialist goals, which taxation is bad, nothing is really free.

[New haven america]

That's not socialism though. And yeah, socialist policies are working great in: All of the EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc...

Again, keep it up, you're making a great case for why the US should adopt more socialist practices.

Yeah no none of these are socialist

Yeah, you didn't read my post.

[Kexholm and Karelia]

Bismarck was totally based.

Of course Hitler lost the biggest baddest battleship in history named after a progressive monarch to a bunch of liberal-for-the-time ragamuffins in leaky boats.

The metaphors don't get better than that for fascism tbh.

I agree, the National Socialist German Worker’s party ruined Germany and caused one of the worst genocides of the century

[Celritannia]

They're social democrats, which is a belief system that incorporates both capitalist and socialist policies.

But to certain users those might as well be the same thing.

I have always posted, the European socialist democratic nations and Canada rely on a capitalist economy, and use taxation for socialist goals, which taxation is bad.

Alright, no, European countries are not "socialist democratic nations", neither is Canada.
They are mostly Social Democracies.
Taxation helps improve the lives of the citizens.
So let me stop you before you speak BS as someone who lives in the UK where the NHS is beneficial to everyone.

[Washington Resistance Army]

In theory yes, but there's no developed nation that currently does so. Safety nets and such things aren't socialist. They were literally invented by right wing German monarchists.

I do know a lot about Bismarck and him establishing one of the first set of welfare policies.
But he did so for a couple of reasons. One, the heir to the throne was sympathetic to the working class. Two, the increased industrialised workers liked the idea of socialist principles, so to curb serious destruction, he implemented some socialist principles.

Socialism is an economic system, he didn't implement any socialist principles. He implemented a safety net and various social policies to placate and buy the loyalty of the populace and stop them from drifting into extremist politics seeking to upset the capitalist order of his time.

Like, I don't wanna be high and mighty, but it's a pretty huge meme when you guys complain about the right calling the government doing anything socialism and communism and then proceed to do the same things yourselves and it seems to stem heavily from a lack of basic education into what these things actually are. Socialist literature and theory isn't hard to find and even a quick read highlights the glaring flaws in your view on the topic.

[New haven america]

Do you unironically believe that socialism is when the government does stuff and the more it does the more socialist it is lol, cuz good lord this is a politically illiterate take

They also think arresting people for disagreeing with them is good

I always thought the whole "SJW" thing was a straw man until I saw this stuff

Yes yes, lazy buzzwords, unoriginality, gatcha! we've seen this all before.

Please get new material, you've had 4 years.

[New haven america]

Of course Hitler lost the biggest baddest battleship in history named after a progressive monarch to a bunch of liberal-for-the-time ragamuffins in leaky boats.

The metaphors don't get better than that for fascism tbh.

I agree, the National Socialist German Worker’s party ruined Germany and caused one of the worst genocides of the century

Which despite the name was a right-wing fascist party.

[Celritannia]

Of course Hitler lost the biggest baddest battleship in history named after a progressive monarch to a bunch of liberal-for-the-time ragamuffins in leaky boats.

The metaphors don't get better than that for fascism tbh.

I agree, the National Socialist German Worker’s party ruined Germany and caused one of the worst genocides of the century

You think the Nazi Party was full on socialist?
You most think The People's Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic

[Washington Resistance Army]

I agree, the National Socialist German Worker’s party ruined Germany and caused one of the worst genocides of the century

You think the Nazi Party was full on socialist?
You most think The People's Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic

fwiw there was an explicitly and undeniably left wing Nazi faction, they just got the axe because of realpolitik and Hitler needing to placate the High Command and the Oligarchs

[Greater Miami Shores]

I have always posted, the European socialist democratic nations and Canada rely on a capitalist economy, and use taxation for socialist goals, which taxation is bad.

Alright, no, European countries are not "socialist democratic nations", neither is Canada.
They are mostly Social Democracies.
Taxation helps improve the lives of the citizens.
So let me stop you before you speak BS as someone who lives in the UK where the NHS is beneficial to everyone.

Keep in mind, you are talking to a conservative Republican supporter of Maggie Thatcher and Republican President Ronald Reagan.

[Kexholm and Karelia]

I agree, the National Socialist German Worker’s party ruined Germany and caused one of the worst genocides of the century

You think the Nazi Party was full on socialist?
You most think The People's Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic

All of the countries with "People’s Republic" in the name do share some striking resemblances, if I must say. They also happen to be ruled by communists

[Celritannia]

I do know a lot about Bismarck and him establishing one of the first set of welfare policies.
But he did so for a couple of reasons. One, the heir to the throne was sympathetic to the working class. Two, the increased industrialised workers liked the idea of socialist principles, so to curb serious destruction, he implemented some socialist principles.

Socialism is an economic system, he didn't implement any socialist principles. He implemented a safety net and various social policies to placate and buy the loyalty of the populace and stop them from drifting into extremist politics seeking to upset the capitalist order of his time.

Like, I don't wanna be high and mighty, but it's a pretty huge meme when you guys complain about the right calling the government doing anything socialism and communism and then proceed to do the same things yourselves and it seems to stem heavily from a lack of basic education into what these things actually are. Socialist literature and theory isn't hard to find and even a quick read highlights the glaring flaws in your view on the topic.

It's not just an economic system though.

Well, I have Clement Attlee to thank for establishing the True Welfare State in the UK.

[Celritannia]

You think the Nazi Party was full on socialist?
You most think The People's Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic

All of the countries with "People’s Republic" in the name do share some striking resemblances, if I must say. They also happen to be ruled by communists

But is North Korea Democratic?

[Kexholm and Karelia]

All of the countries with "People’s Republic" in the name do share some striking resemblances, if I must say. They also happen to be ruled by communists

But is North Korea Democratic?

No, it’s a "Democratic People’s Republic"

[New haven america]

You think the Nazi Party was full on socialist?
You most think The People's Democratic Republic of Korea is democratic

All of the countries with "People’s Republic" in the name do share some striking resemblances, if I must say. They also happen to be ruled by communists

That's not the question. Is North Korea democratic?

[Celritannia]

Alright, no, European countries are not "socialist democratic nations", neither is Canada.
They are mostly Social Democracies.
Taxation helps improve the lives of the citizens.
So let me stop you before you speak BS as someone who lives in the UK where the NHS is beneficial to everyone.

Keep in mind, you are talking to a conservative Republican supporter of Maggie Thatcher and Republican President Ronald Reagan.

If you didn't live through Margaret Thatcher's Government, or how she truly fucked up the country, increasing wealth gaps, increasing unemployment, amongst other things, then do not continue what you do not know about the UK.

[Celritannia]

But is North Korea Democratic?

No, it’s a "Democratic People’s Republic"

Then the Nazi Party was not socialist.