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2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

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How Many Votes Do You Expect to be Early Votes Nationwide?

0-10%
22
7%
10-20%
51
17%
20-30%
85
28%
30-40%
66
21%
40-50%
45
15%
50%+
39
13%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I mean, yeah, if she overturned Roe she'd be a hero to probably a hundred million people.


Doubtful. Roe has majority support as does LGBT rights. It would be very dangerous for a court to so widely out of state with public opinion.


Some 40% of the population believes abortion should be flatly illegal in all or most cases. That's approximately 131,000,000 people. Needless to say yeah she'd be a hero in a lot of eyes.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Doubtful. Roe has majority support as does LGBT rights. It would be very dangerous for a court to so widely out of state with public opinion.


Some 40% of the population believes abortion should be flatly illegal in all or most cases. That's approximately 131,000,000 people. Needless to say yeah she'd be a hero in a lot of eyes.


and thats 60 percent who disagree.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:05 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Screw Him. He should resign from the Senate for his utter hypocrisy or his staff should refuse to work.

But he won’t, and I agree with him because ensuring a conservative court would do much more to fight far left socialism and communism in the long term


How many people do you think are actually communists in this country? This isn't 1946, giving you the option for public insurance and raising taxes on an income bracket you'll probably never see isn't communism.

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:06 pm

Kannap wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:If Trump saved people from a plane crash in the ocean, Democrats would blame him for starving the sharks.


Probably not, but if he didn't save everybody they'd attack him for falling short or not responding effectively enough.

Come on, if you're going to criticize the Democrats, do it right. You're embarrassing the rest of us who criticize the Democrats.


That was harsh. I'll rephrase it. They would turn their backs and act like nothing happened.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Some 40% of the population believes abortion should be flatly illegal in all or most cases. That's approximately 131,000,000 people. Needless to say yeah she'd be a hero in a lot of eyes.


and thats 60 percent who disagree.

WRA is an authoritarian, so you're barking up the wrong tree, Lumen.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:08 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Probably not, but if he didn't save everybody they'd attack him for falling short or not responding effectively enough.

Come on, if you're going to criticize the Democrats, do it right. You're embarrassing the rest of us who criticize the Democrats.


That was harsh. I'll rephrase it. They would turn their backs and act like nothing happened.

This horrible metaphor has gotten away from you, I suggest hitting the ejector seat and abandoning this endeavour. Try again later.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:08 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:But he won’t, and I agree with him because ensuring a conservative court would do much more to fight far left socialism and communism in the long term


How many people do you think are actually communists in this country? This isn't 1946, giving you the option for public insurance and raising taxes on an income bracket you'll probably never see isn't communism.

Quite a few people on the right are being propagandized into believing milquetoast social democracy is somehow the same as communism.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:08 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:I feel like liberals in Washington (the state) have forgotten that political views are opinions, not facts.

Awesome post all across the nation for both sides. I think many persons need to learn and respect, the right to think differently. This respect is not earned, it is given, and it exists, it is called Democracy in the USA and western style multi political party nations.

It does not mean we like and respect the person, it means we respect their rights to think differently than us, like Black African American Republicans supporters of President Trump, are not mentally ill persons, as a few posters on here have posted in the past they are mentally ill persons.

So far I have met and talked too, 12 black African American Republicans supporters of President Trump, of course I cant personally know the over 100,000 black African American Republican supporters of President Trump who are going to vote for Trump, I have met at the Trump rallies I have attended, which I am allowed to post about and share with my fellow nations on NS, and do so. We Republican supporters of President Trump on these related threads care, and have the right to do so.

Just like Democrats and Democrat supporters of Biden, cant personally know the millions of black African Americans who are going to vote for Biden.

I met and talked too a very religious Republican catholic Laotian American Business man immigrant from communist Laos supporter of President Trump.

I have no personal and political problems with Democrats and Democrat supporters posting about Democrat rallies for Biden, post them.

I am now up to 2 lady Democrats in a car who gave me the finger, :) lol, and an old Cuban guy in the car who gave me the finger, :)lol, I just laughed to myself, I did not cuss them out like they did too me. I do take any personal and political insults as a form of honor and pride, and it increases my desire to see President Trump reelected as he deserves to be reelected , according to my Political views and my fellow Republicans supporters of President Trump.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:09 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
and thats 60 percent who disagree.

WRA is an authoritarian, so you're barking up the wrong tree, Lumen.


That doesn't really have anything to do with Lumen's point. Barrett overturning abortion rights would, rather obviously, make the anti-abortion crowd love her. He sarcastically stated it as if it's not true, which is absurd.
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Major-Tom
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:09 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
How many people do you think are actually communists in this country? This isn't 1946, giving you the option for public insurance and raising taxes on an income bracket you'll probably never see isn't communism.

Quite a few people on the right are being propagandized into believing milquetoast social democracy is somehow the same as communism.


It's depressing, especially for those who benefit from expanded social programs and greater access to healthcare yet still see it as "a communist threat."

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:10 pm

Heloin wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
That was harsh. I'll rephrase it. They would turn their backs and act like nothing happened.

This horrible metaphor has gotten away from you, I suggest hitting the ejector seat and abandoning this endeavour. Try again later.


Nah, fam. Just nah.

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:12 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:I feel like liberals in Washington (the state) have forgotten that political views are opinions, not facts.

Awesome post all across the nation for both sides. I think many persons need to learn and respect, the right to think differently. This respect is not earned, it is given, and it exists, it is called Democracy in the USA and western style multi political party nations.

It does not mean we like and respect the person, it means we respect their rights to think differently than us, like Black African American Republicans supporters of President Trump, are not mentally ill persons, as a few posters on here have posted in the past they are mentally ill persons.

So far I have met and talked too, 12 black African American Republicans supporters of President Trump, of course I cant personally know the over 100,000 black African American Republican supporters of President Trump who are going to vote for Trump, I have met at the Trump rallies I have attended, which I am allowed to post about and share with my fellow nations on NS, and do so. We Republican supporters of President Trump on these related threads care, and have the right to do so.

I am now up to 2 lady Democrats in a car who gave me the finger, :) lol, and an old Cuban guy in the car who gave me the finger, :)lol, I just laughed to myself, I did not cuss them out like they did too me. I do take any personal and political insults as a form of honor and pride, and it increases my desire to see President Trump reelected as he deserves to be reelected , according to my Political views and my fellow Republicans supporters of President Trump.

I have no personal problems with Democrats and Democrat supporters posting about Democrat rallies for Biden, post them.

Just like Democrats and Democrat supporters of Biden, cant personally know the millions of black African Americans who are going to vote for Biden.


That was amazing man. Just amazing. :hug: :clap:

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Postby Heloin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:12 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Heloin wrote:This horrible metaphor has gotten away from you, I suggest hitting the ejector seat and abandoning this endeavour. Try again later.


Nah, fam. Just nah.

I have given you an out and you rejected it like so many others before you. I hold no grudge for this. Go on young grasshopper, continue with your horrible metaphors. I shall await for your return.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:13 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:WRA is an authoritarian, so you're barking up the wrong tree, Lumen.


That doesn't really have anything to do with Lumen's point. Barrett overturning abortion rights would, rather obviously, make the anti-abortion crowd love her. He sarcastically stated it as if it's not true, which is absurd.

not to the majority of the nation. To have a court so widely out of step with public opinion is a very bad thing and would make the court illegitimate to many.

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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:13 pm

Heloin wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Nah, fam. Just nah.

I have given you an out and you rejected it like so many others before you. I hold no grudge for this. Go on young grasshopper, continue with your horrible metaphors. I shall await for your return.


You might want to take another biology exam.

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Postby Kannap » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Some 40% of the population believes abortion should be flatly illegal in all or most cases. That's approximately 131,000,000 people. Needless to say yeah she'd be a hero in a lot of eyes.


and thats 60 percent who disagree.


Well, only 46% of Americans identify as pro-choice, compared to 49% who identify as pro-life

You're right about the 60% in regards to 60% of Americans believe Roe v. Wade should not be overturned. Compared to 33% who want to see it overturned.

On abortion overall, we see a different breakdown:

39% - support it being legal in only a few circumstances
25% - support abortion being legal in all cases
21% - support it being illegal in all cases
13% - support it being legal in most cases
2% - no opinion
1% - support it being legal with restrictions (respondent didn't specify what level of restrictions)
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:16 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
and thats 60 percent who disagree.


Well, only 46% of Americans identify as pro-choice, compared to 49% who identify as pro-life

You're right about the 60% in regards to 60% of Americans believe Roe v. Wade should not be overturned. Compared to 33% who want to see it overturned.

On abortion overall, we see a different breakdown:

39% - support it being legal in only a few circumstances
25% - support abortion being legal in all cases
21% - support it being illegal in all cases
13% - support it being legal in most cases
2% - no opinion
1% - support it being legal with restrictions (respondent didn't specify what level of restrictions)


If my calculations are correct, that adds up to 101%.

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Postby Post War America » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That doesn't really have anything to do with Lumen's point. Barrett overturning abortion rights would, rather obviously, make the anti-abortion crowd love her. He sarcastically stated it as if it's not true, which is absurd.

not to the majority of the nation. To have a court so widely out of step with public opinion is a very bad thing and would make the court illegitimate to many.


SCOTUS is already an illegitimate institution.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:16 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:not to the majority of the nation. To have a court so widely out of step with public opinion is a very bad thing and would make the court illegitimate to many.


SCOTUS is already an illegitimate institution.

how?

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Postby Heloin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:17 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:-snip-


That was amazing man. Just amazing. :hug: :clap:

He's posted the exact same thing plenty of times before. It's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing but single that he refuses to listen to anything anyone else has to say.

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Heloin wrote:I have given you an out and you rejected it like so many others before you. I hold no grudge for this. Go on young grasshopper, continue with your horrible metaphors. I shall await for your return.


You might want to take another biology exam.

What?

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:17 pm

Saint Sche Batose wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Well, only 46% of Americans identify as pro-choice, compared to 49% who identify as pro-life

You're right about the 60% in regards to 60% of Americans believe Roe v. Wade should not be overturned. Compared to 33% who want to see it overturned.

On abortion overall, we see a different breakdown:

39% - support it being legal in only a few circumstances
25% - support abortion being legal in all cases
21% - support it being illegal in all cases
13% - support it being legal in most cases
2% - no opinion
1% - support it being legal with restrictions (respondent didn't specify what level of restrictions)


If my calculations are correct, that adds up to 101%.


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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:19 pm

Heloin wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
That was amazing man. Just amazing. :hug: :clap:

He's posted the exact same thing plenty of times before. It's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing but single that he refuses to listen to anything anyone else has to say.
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
You might want to take another biology exam.

What?


Stop being a typical liberal and listen to the other side for once.
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Postby Kannap » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That doesn't really have anything to do with Lumen's point. Barrett overturning abortion rights would, rather obviously, make the anti-abortion crowd love her. He sarcastically stated it as if it's not true, which is absurd.

not to the majority of the nation. To have a court so widely out of step with public opinion is a very bad thing and would make the court illegitimate to many.


Not like we the people have any power to stop them, what are you proposing?
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Postby Saint Sche Batose » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:19 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Saint Sche Batose wrote:
If my calculations are correct, that adds up to 101%.


Rounding.


What do you mean, rounding?

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:20 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:not to the majority of the nation. To have a court so widely out of step with public opinion is a very bad thing and would make the court illegitimate to many.


Not like we the people have any power to stop them, what are you proposing?


not sure but it would not be a good thing.

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