2020 US General Election Thread VIII: Cs, Ds, and Es

[Uiiop]

We'd just need two more besides Romney and Murkowski, otherwise they can ram a nominee through in a week and probably will.

Collins is iffy, as is Grassley. McSally might not vote for based on her election chances

https://twitter.com/SenMcSallyAZ/status ... 3845032960
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

[San Lumen]

We'd just need two more besides Romney and Murkowski, otherwise they can ram a nominee through in a week and probably will.

Collins is iffy, as is Grassley. McSally might not vote for based on her election chances

We shall see. i dont trust any Republican senator to keep their word.

[Kowani]

So Murkowski and Romney are hopefully no votes. If they schedule the appointment in December and if Mark Kelly wins, that's 50 no votes. If Pence is tiebreaker, all hell is gonna break loose.

"A Republic...if you can keep it."

[San Lumen]

Collins is iffy, as is Grassley. McSally might not vote for based on her election chances

https://twitter.com/SenMcSallyAZ/status ... 3845032960
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

screw her too.

[Talvezout]

So Murkowski and Romney are hopefully no votes. If they schedule the appointment in December and if Mark Kelly wins, that's 50 no votes. If Pence is tiebreaker, all hell is gonna break loose.

McConnell is going to ram it through in the next week. He’s not waiting until the election let alone December

I can't imagine that it would be possible to get it done that fast in this time frame, especially with COVID.

Even then, if they do it before the election, Collins, Gardner, Tillis, McSally, etc are all gonna be DOA come November if they vote yes.

[Shrillland]

Collins is iffy, as is Grassley. McSally might not vote for based on her election chances

https://twitter.com/SenMcSallyAZ/status ... 3845032960
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

She knows she's already lost, so she doesn't have to pretend anything to anyone.

[San Lumen]

McConnell is going to ram it through in the next week. He’s not waiting until the election let alone December

I can't imagine that it would be possible to get it done that fast in this time frame, especially with COVID.

Even then, if they do it before the election, Collins, Gardner, Tillis, McSally, etc are all gonna be DOA come November if they vote yes.

and possibly more.

[Kexholm and Karelia]

McConnell says that Trump’s nominee will receive a vote.

I hope they push another justice before the election because there is a good chance that Trump will lose the election and the Republicans will lose the senate, so if another conservative is put on the court it would secure the court for at least a decade

[Talvezout]

I can't imagine that it would be possible to get it done that fast in this time frame, especially with COVID.

Even then, if they do it before the election, Collins, Gardner, Tillis, McSally, etc are all gonna be DOA come November if they vote yes.

and possibly more.

It would be politically smarter to way until after the election - if Reps lose the Senate, they got nothing to lose. But then again, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to ram it through before November - and I wouldn't surprised if it backfires badly.

[Shrillland]

McConnell says that Trump’s nominee will receive a vote.

I hope they push another justice before the election because there is a good chance that Trump will lose the election and the Republicans will lose the senate, so if another conservative is put on the court it would secure the court for at least a decade

Three decades, more like.

[San Lumen]

McConnell says that Trump’s nominee will receive a vote.

I hope they push another justice before the election because there is a good chance that Trump will lose the election and the Republicans will lose the senate, so if another conservative is put on the court it would secure the court for at least a decade

And what scout McConnell saying we don’t confirm justices in an election year?

[Valrifell]

I hope they push another justice before the election because there is a good chance that Trump will lose the election and the Republicans will lose the senate, so if another conservative is put on the court it would secure the court for at least a decade

Three decades, more like.

I would start getting concerned about the safety of the justices if another gets through before the election.

[The Black Forrest]

McConnell says that Trump’s nominee will receive a vote.

I hope they push another justice before the election because there is a good chance that Trump will lose the election and the Republicans will lose the senate, so if another conservative is put on the court it would secure the court for at least a decade

What was that about not introducing politics?

[Kowani]

Collins is iffy, as is Grassley. McSally might not vote for based on her election chances

https://twitter.com/SenMcSallyAZ/status ... 3845032960
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

Screw her sideways with a poleaxe-

[Ngelmish]

Yeah, no, I'm not seeing anyone other than Murkowski and Romney who has an angle in defending the process norms here. In different circumstances Collins might consider it, but she's been campaigning recently on the idea that Kavanaugh wasn't egregious because she voted for Kagan and Sotomayor too. As for Grassley, if the caucus is still at at least 50 votes, he might be consistent since it wouldn't change the outcome.

Now the smart thing for the Republicans would be to wait until just before the debate to have Trump name a nominee, and then run out the clock turning the election into another court referendum election. That's the most likely way that Trump cobbles together a winning coalition again -- it gives his voters reasons to come back to him that aren't about him. But Trump's stupid and greedy and is going to want the seat filled now, especially if he thinks he's losing as yet another giant "fuck you," to Democrats, and McConnell probably is eager to move as fast as possible because he knows that without a reactionary court, once the GOP loses power, they could structurally forced to be a minority party for awhile. And whomever they ram through makes the election about Trump again, and it probably sinks some of the longshot GOP senators at the same time. Negative long term consequences either way.

[Maineiacs]

We'd just need two more besides Romney and Murkowski, otherwise they can ram a nominee through in a week and probably will.

Collins is iffy, as is Grassley. McSally might not vote for based on her election chances

Collins will do what she always does: say that she's considering voting no, and then vote for Trump's nominee.

[Valrifell]

I hope they push another justice before the election because there is a good chance that Trump will lose the election and the Republicans will lose the senate, so if another conservative is put on the court it would secure the court for at least a decade

And what scout McConnell saying we don’t confirm justices in an election year?

It's in the article, his reasoning is thus:

"The People^TM gave the GOP the majority in 2014 to spite Obama, and we did. In 2018 The People^TM voted us in to mindlessly support the President, so we will!"

This, ignoring that the People^TM, nationally, didn't elect them.

[Valrifell]

I hope they push another justice before the election because there is a good chance that Trump will lose the election and the Republicans will lose the senate, so if another conservative is put on the court it would secure the court for at least a decade

What was that about not introducing politics?

That was the other thread, here he's a totally different person and the rules do not apply!

[Ngelmish]

And what scout McConnell saying we don’t confirm justices in an election year?

It's in the article, his reasoning is thus:

"The People^TM gave the GOP the majority in 2016 to spite Obama, and we did. In 2018 The People^TM voted us in to mindlessly support the President, so we will!"

This, ignoring that the People^TM, nationally, didn't elect them.

I mean, we don't need to indulge McConnell's "plausible" deniability. The rationale is and always has been, don't let the Democrats seat vacancies if you can avoid it.

[Valrifell]

It's in the article, his reasoning is thus:

"The People^TM gave the GOP the majority in 2016 to spite Obama, and we did. In 2018 The People^TM voted us in to mindlessly support the President, so we will!"

This, ignoring that the People^TM, nationally, didn't elect them.

I mean, we don't need to indulge McConnell's "plausible" deniability. The rationale is and always has been, don't let the Democrats seat vacancies if you can avoid it.

That's transparent, yes. He's not even really denying it anymore.

[Cannot think of a name]

Holy shit, Trump actually kept it together for half a damn second. Just saw him learning about the death in real time.

Yep, that's the bar. He responded like a human being to a bit of news.

[Talvezout]

Lamar Alexander is allegedly a no vote according to some tweets.

So far, Romney and Murkwoski are the two most likely no votes, with maybe Grassley. Alexander is a bit of a reach, and Collins shouldn't be trusted.

It's not gonna be easy for McConnell to thread the needle, needless to say.

[The Black Forrest]

https://twitter.com/SenMcSallyAZ/status ... 3845032960
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

Screw her sideways with a poleaxe-

Why?

Garland showed we can have an empty seat for two years.

[Kannap]

I hope they push another justice before the election because there is a good chance that Trump will lose the election and the Republicans will lose the senate, so if another conservative is put on the court it would secure the court for at least a decade

And what scout McConnell saying we don’t confirm justices in an election year?

Give it up Lumen, nobody cares about McConnell being a hyprocrite and nobody is surprised.

[Ngelmish]

Lamar Alexander is allegedly a no vote according to some tweets.

So far, Romney and Murkwoski are the two most likely no votes, with maybe Grassley. Alexander is a bit of a reach, and Collins shouldn't be trusted.

It's not gonna be easy for McConnell to thread the needle, needless to say.

One or two of the others will only make a conscience vote if there's still a majority for the nomination (assuming Trump doesn't pull someone super left field for this, like his sister maybe, and I don't think even he's quite that erratic yet). McConnell's got an iron grip on the caucus.