8 year old arrested for battery for punching a teacher

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

In-school suspension is a thing.

And then they get to just sit around in the library without having to listen to any teachers at all.

If you don't get where I was going with this, where did I lose you?

[The Free Joy State]

True.

It sounds like there were many systematic failings that should be investigated here.

EDIT: Not least that they apparently took him to an adult prison for processing. Where the hell was child protection in this scenario!

Terrorizing children is acceptable, apparently. I don't even think he was responsible for the punching, but even if he were, I have never called police when children were acting like that. It's honestly evil, and the school could have just called his parents.

I used to work in schools, and some children had behavioural needs (some of whom could act out and lash out). They all had a behavioural plan, and I stuck with the plan. Calling the police wouldn't have occurred to me.

... How strong is this 8 year old?

I seriously doubt that punch caused any damage.

LUNA this is a reach and you know it.

Why the hell are you even advocating for this?

He was 3 ft 5 and weighed 64lbs (that's just around 4 stone 6, or 29kg). You can do the maths as to the strength that would give.

[Geneviev]

... How strong is this 8 year old?

I seriously doubt that punch caused any damage.

LUNA this is a reach and you know it.

Why the hell are you even advocating for this?

It didn't cause a lot of damage and wasn't even his fault.

[Asle Leopolka]

I'm usually vehemently opposed to whatever Cenk thinks but this time I'm going to compromise. If the police needed to get involved then fine (I'm curious why the other teachers/adults couldn't handle it, but whatever), but I don't think an 8 year old should have a criminal record for it. The kid definitely needs help and having a rap sheet and being sent to juvie that young will make things worse, not better. Rehabilitation > punishment.

[Necroghastia]

In-school suspension is a thing.

And then they get to just sit around in the library without having to listen to any teachers at all.

That's never how ISS worked in any school I went to.

If you don't get where I was going with this, where did I lose you?

Which again, when we go too easy on kids, means we also include "fighting back against an aggressor who is a kid" in that category.

Whatever the solution is, the discrepancy is at this point just too vast.

These sentences do not compute.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Oh nice. If it was a girl she'd be doing time.

We have a problem not arresting adult women who hit men why do we think a girl is more likely to be punished ?

"Boys will be boys" as a defense is patently misogynist. The defense can't be applies to a girl.

I should not be answerable for that. I didn't say it.

Boys will be boys used to excuse this.

You fucking said it.

[Greed and Death]

We have a problem not arresting adult women who hit men why do we think a girl is more likely to be punished ?

"Boys will be boys" as a defense is patently misogynist. The defense can't be applies to a girl.

I should not be answerable for that. I didn't say it.

Boys will be boys used to excuse this.

You fucking said it.

Yeah we used to say boys will be boys. Go write on the chalk board 100 times you will not hit your teacher, and then go home and get an ass whopping. Not called the cops.

[Galloism]

We have a problem not arresting adult women who hit men why do we think a girl is more likely to be punished ?

"Boys will be boys" as a defense is patently misogynist. The defense can't be applies to a girl.

I should not be answerable for that. I didn't say it.

Boys will be boys used to excuse this.

You fucking said it.

Tbh that’s because we just don’t take violence by women and girls seriously enough to even warrant giving it a defense.

Boys will be boys is a sexist defense yes, but the reason we don’t have similar for girls is that they are in no need of defending, as people (both men and women) don’t generally see their violence as problematic or any way wrong until it gets to extreme levels where people don’t offer the “boys will be boys” defense.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

"Also, we're going to probably traumatize you and if you get convicted of this you're going to become a second-class citizen for this thing you did when you were eight"

Adults will also become second-class citizens for crimes. Which again, when we go too easy on kids, means we also include "fighting back against an aggressor who is a kid" in that category.

Whatever the solution is, the discrepancy is at this point just too vast.

This eight-year old hit a teacher and now he's some sort of a menace to society?

Whatever happened to letting the school or the parents discipline the kids?

[Geneviev]

Terrorizing children is acceptable, apparently. I don't even think he was responsible for the punching, but even if he were, I have never called police when children were acting like that. It's honestly evil, and the school could have just called his parents.

I used to work in schools, and some children had behavioural needs (some of whom could act out and lash out). They all had a behavioural plan, and I stuck with the plan. Calling the police wouldn't have occurred to me.

That's what plans are for. The teacher should have been aware of it instead of just trying force. If one of the children in my church tried to punch me, I wouldn't ever call police. It's the last thing you should do with a child.

[Katganistan]

Calling the cops on an 8-year-old is a fucking dick move, and is abuse. He was so tiny the handcuffs fell off, and he has an IEP because he has learning/emotional problems.

The teacher is an asshole, the administration are assholes. Suggesting that primary school kids should be arrested is ridiculous.

And it's not that "he hit a teacher". She was a sub, and decided to make him move by grabbing him and physically moving him AFTER he told her "DON'T TOUCH ME." SHE assaulted HIM.

And it's very disingenuous NOT to point out that the kid is disabled, or that the teacher laid her hands on him (battery), when claiming he 'needs to be taught a lesson'.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/officers-a ... ies-video/

In his statement, Crump said the boy had an IEP, or Individualized Education Program for children with disabilities. The IEP is "intended to make sure his educational experience was appropriate for him," Crump said in the statement.

"Instead of honoring and fulfilling that plan, the school placed him with a substitute teacher who had no awareness or concern about his needs and who escalated the situation by using her hands to forcibly move him," the civil rights attorney said in the statement.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 343410001/

According to the lawsuit, the teacher had asked the boy to sit by her – after she repeatedly asked him to sit properly – and the boy refused. The lawsuit claims the teacher walked over to escort him to where she was sitting and attempted to "go hands-on" and physically move him. He asked her not to touch him and when she did not let go, the boy punched her once in the chest, according to the suit.

Frankly, I hope the family wins the suit. This was mishandled from beginning to end.

[Andsed]

I used to work in schools, and some children had behavioural needs (some of whom could act out and lash out). They all had a behavioural plan, and I stuck with the plan. Calling the police wouldn't have occurred to me.

That's what plans are for. The teacher should have been aware of it instead of just trying force. If one of the children in my church tried to punch me, I wouldn't ever call police. It's the last thing you should do with a child.

If a kid is having some sort of meltdown like that it should be common sense to simply take them out of the room (and depending on how severe the meltdown is in regards to violence restrain them a little) and wait for them to calm down and call the kids parents and the fact the school instead chose to call the cops indicates they have no clue on how to properly teach special needs kids.

[Tolopel]

Well well well that was unexpected.

[Galloism]

I used to work in schools, and some children had behavioural needs (some of whom could act out and lash out). They all had a behavioural plan, and I stuck with the plan. Calling the police wouldn't have occurred to me.

That's what plans are for. The teacher should have been aware of it instead of just trying force. If one of the children in my church tried to punch me, I wouldn't ever call police. It's the last thing you should do with a child.

As it should be.

Jeez people. Children aren’t developed enough to think long term at 8 years old. We know this. That’s why we don’t let them smoke, drink, buy a gun, drive a car, get a tattoo, join the army, etc.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

That's what plans are for. The teacher should have been aware of it instead of just trying force. If one of the children in my church tried to punch me, I wouldn't ever call police. It's the last thing you should do with a child.

If a kid is having some sort of meltdown like that it should be common sense to simply take them out of the room (and depending on how severe the meltdown is in regards to violence restrain them a little) and wait for them to calm down and call the kids parents and the fact the school instead chose to call the cops indicates they have no clue on how to properly teach special needs kids.

Exactly. Won't the poor kid have this incident on his record, now? Or are steps being taken to defend him?

[Geneviev]

That's what plans are for. The teacher should have been aware of it instead of just trying force. If one of the children in my church tried to punch me, I wouldn't ever call police. It's the last thing you should do with a child.

If a kid is having some sort of meltdown like that it should be common sense to simply take them out of the room (and depending on how severe the meltdown is in regards to violence restrain them a little) and wait for them to calm down and call the kids parents and the fact the school instead chose to call the cops indicates they have no clue on how to properly teach special needs kids.

This substitute was apparently not aware of his IEP, which is why force was used against him. He did nothing wrong, but the teacher, school, and police all made it a serious situation that was very likely to end in harm to a child.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Calling the cops on an 8-year-old is a fucking dick move, and is abuse. He was so tiny the handcuffs fell off, and he has an IEP because he has learning/emotional problems.

The teacher is an asshole, the administration are assholes. Suggesting that primary school kids should be arrested is ridiculous.

And it's not that "he hit a teacher". She was a sub, and decided to make him move by grabbing him and physically moving him AFTER he told her "DON'T TOUCH ME." SHE assaulted HIM.

I hope his parents sue.

He wasn't going to the principal's office willingly. What was she supposed to do, wave a magic wand?

EDIT: To be fair, a lawsuit would be a good way to force both sides to explain themselves.

[Katganistan]

Does the US not have the concept of "criminal capacity", or is that set down to something ludicrous like 6 years old or something? The hell, who on Earth arrests a child?

It's Florida.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Does the US not have the concept of "criminal capacity", or is that set down to something ludicrous like 6 years old or something? The hell, who on Earth arrests a child?

It's Florida.

"As low as it goes" then ...

[Galloism]

Calling the cops on an 8-year-old is a fucking dick move, and is abuse. He was so tiny the handcuffs fell off, and he has an IEP because he has learning/emotional problems.

The teacher is an asshole, the administration are assholes. Suggesting that primary school kids should be arrested is ridiculous.

And it's not that "he hit a teacher". She was a sub, and decided to make him move by grabbing him and physically moving him AFTER he told her "DON'T TOUCH ME." SHE assaulted HIM.

I hope his parents sue.

He wasn't going to the principal's office willingly. What was she supposed to do, wave a magic wand?

EDIT: To be fair, a lawsuit would be a good way to force both sides to explain themselves.

"Why is a grown ass woman expected to be more responsible than an 8 year old child with special needs?"

Gee, I dunno.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Substitute teachers should wear some special costume so the kids know they're a sub.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

He wasn't going to the principal's office willingly. What was she supposed to do, wave a magic wand?

EDIT: To be fair, a lawsuit would be a good way to force both sides to explain themselves.

"Why is a grown ass woman expected to be more responsible than an 8 year old child with special needs?"

Gee, I dunno.

I get that she's meant to be more responsible, but is "wait for someone else to intervene and send a message to every child watching that they can do whatever they will and she can't do anything about it" really the most responsible approach?

[Katganistan]

... How strong is this 8 year old?

I seriously doubt that punch caused any damage.

LUNA this is a reach and you know it.

Why the hell are you even advocating for this?

He's authoritarian. Just read his other screeds on cameras in classrooms and lunchrooms, arresting kids for telling other kids that Santa Claus exists, et cetera.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

... How strong is this 8 year old?

I seriously doubt that punch caused any damage.

LUNA this is a reach and you know it.

Why the hell are you even advocating for this?

He's authoritarian. Just read his other screeds on cameras in classrooms and lunchrooms, arresting kids for telling other kids that Santa Claus exists, et cetera.

The last one is a strawman. I've never said anything like that.

The former is true, but bear in mind it's middle schools that get a lot of surveillance cameras, while the high schools don't even get their broken ones replaced. If voters supposedly object to surveillance, it takes more of a back seat to "security" the younger the kids are, and even for teenagers they are at the very least on the fence about it.

[Katganistan]

In-school suspension is a thing.

And then they get to just sit around in the library without having to listen to any teachers at all.

You have zero awareness of what in-school suspension is.

They sit, in a room, with other suspendees, with a dean. They are given their work from their classes and need to complete it, for however many days they are suspended. They aren't allowed to chat with each other, or use their phones or mp3 players, except for the three minutes during passing when other kids change classes.

Your pronouncements on how it's all fun and games are indicative of a profound ignorance on what schools actually are like.