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Postby Punainen Suomi » Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:58 pm

Sounds quite similar to the 2015 Tianjin explosions, being caused by ammonium nitrate stored at a port. I would guess it was to be used as fertiliser or something like that.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:59 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:A fireworks factory in the middle of city, sure it was.

And epstein killed himself.


It wasn't in the middle of the city. It wasn't a fireworks factory, it was a warehouse with a couple of thousand tonnes of ammonium nitrate.

Give your take it might actually possible Epstein did kill himself....


The initial story I read, and the op stated fireworks factory. Beruit is a large city, the port is the middle of it. My first thought was hezbollah storage location. It still would not surprise me if this was still the case.

Tbf it is possible epstein did not kill himself, but I doubt it


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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:01 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:A fireworks factory in the middle of city, sure it was.

And epstein killed himself.


Not a fireworks factory someone left 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate with no safety precautions.


Thanks, I did see that after Mr. Sniffage's tart response.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:04 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
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It wasn't in the middle of the city. It wasn't a fireworks factory, it was a warehouse with a couple of thousand tonnes of ammonium nitrate.

Give your take it might actually possible Epstein did kill himself....


The initial story I read, and the op stated fireworks factory. Beruit is a large city, the port is the middle of it. My first thought was hezbollah storage location. It still would not surprise me if this was still the case.

Tbf it is possible epstein did kill himself, but I doubt it


Sniffage is the first person I've seen who isnt a news reporter or wealthy politician who suggested epstein killed himself.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:05 pm

Punainen Suomi wrote:Sounds quite similar to the 2015 Tianjin explosions, being caused by ammonium nitrate stored at a port. I would guess it was to be used as fertiliser or something like that.


More likely bomb material knowing how things have been in Lebanon.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:07 pm

I think once the science boffins complete their inquiry they'll put the power of the blast in the kilotons range, a level which is usually reserved for measuring the power of nuclear weapons. But even without the boffins telling me so, you can tell by the visual effects of the blast (such as the vaporisation of the air, the mushroom cloud, and the surrounding clouds literally being pushed out of the way, effects only usually seen with nuclear weapon levels of power) and the damage that the power was in the kilotons range.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:08 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
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It wasn't in the middle of the city. It wasn't a fireworks factory, it was a warehouse with a couple of thousand tonnes of ammonium nitrate.

Give your take it might actually possible Epstein did kill himself....


The initial story I read, and the op stated fireworks factory. Beruit is a large city, the port is the middle of it. My first thought was hezbollah storage location. It still would not surprise me if this was still the case.

Tbf it is possible epstein did kill himself, but I doubt it


It really isn't in the middle of the city. It's on the coast so about 50% of the blast will have dissipated over the sea. If it had been in the middle of the city then the damage and casualties would already be much worse.

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Postby Andsed » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:09 pm

The New California Republic wrote:I think once the science boffins complete their inquiry they'll put the power of the blast in the kilotons range, a level which is usually reserved for measuring the power of nuclear weapons. But even without the boffins telling me so, you can tell by the visual effects of the blast (such as the vaporisation of the air, the mushroom cloud, and the surrounding clouds literally being pushed out of the way, effects only usually seen with nuclear weapon levels of power) and the damage that the power was in the kilotons range.

The blast was so powerful people in Cyprus felt the shockwave. it has to be in the kiloton range.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:09 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
The initial story I read, and the op stated fireworks factory. Beruit is a large city, the port is the middle of it. My first thought was hezbollah storage location. It still would not surprise me if this was still the case.

Tbf it is possible epstein did kill himself, but I doubt it


Sniffage is the first person I've seen who isnt a news reporter or wealthy politician who suggested epstein killed himself.


I screwed my post up. I do think epstein was murdered.

My apologies for that confusion.
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Postby Union of Albandrite Socialist Republics » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:09 pm

Punainen Suomi wrote:Sounds quite similar to the 2015 Tianjin explosions, being caused by ammonium nitrate stored at a port. I would guess it was to be used as fertiliser or something like that.


Also could be very similair to the Halifax Explosion from what I am seeing, in the sense of fire reaching something it shouldn't have.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:11 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
The initial story I read, and the op stated fireworks factory. Beruit is a large city, the port is the middle of it. My first thought was hezbollah storage location. It still would not surprise me if this was still the case.

Tbf it is possible epstein did kill himself, but I doubt it


It really isn't in the middle of the city. It's on the coast so about 50% of the blast will have dissipated over the sea. If it had been in the middle of the city then the damage and casualties would already be much worse.

Thank god for small favours.


In that sense yes, the explosion was very close to the water, much like the world trade center is very close to the water, but it is still considered downtown Manhattan.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:12 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
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Not a fireworks factory someone left 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate with no safety precautions.


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Not really https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_ ... _disasters
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:13 pm

I’m not a conspiratorial person, but after seeing footage of the blast and how insanely powerful it appeared (IE its shockwave evidently traveling for many miles in bursts), is there anyone with a better science prowess than myself that can explain to me how a warehouse fire could have resulted in such an unbelievably powerful explosion that sent shockwaves all the way to Cyprus?

I simply can’t fathom it being anything other than a coordinated attack, but this isn’t my area of expertise so I’m open to hearing what people with a better scientific background can say about this.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:14 pm

Major-Tom wrote:I’m not a conspiratorial person, but after seeing footage of the blast and how insanely powerful it appeared (IE its shockwave evidently traveling for many miles in bursts), is there anyone with a better science prowess than myself that can explain to me how a warehouse fire could have resulted in such an unbelievably powerful explosion that sent shockwaves all the way to Cyprus?

I simply can’t fathom it being anything other than a coordinated attack, but this isn’t my area of expertise so I’m open to hearing what people with a better scientific background can say about this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_ ... _disasters
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Postby Punainen Suomi » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:14 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Punainen Suomi wrote:Sounds quite similar to the 2015 Tianjin explosions, being caused by ammonium nitrate stored at a port. I would guess it was to be used as fertiliser or something like that.


More likely bomb material knowing how things have been in Lebanon.

It can also be used manufacture explosives like ANFO, so that is a possibility, although being located in the port makes me think that it had either been received from abroad or was to be exported.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:15 pm

Major-Tom wrote:I’m not a conspiratorial person, but after seeing footage of the blast and how insanely powerful it appeared (IE its shockwave evidently traveling for many miles in bursts), is there anyone with a better science prowess than myself that can explain to me how a warehouse fire could have resulted in such an unbelievably powerful explosion that sent shockwaves all the way to Cyprus?

I simply can’t fathom it being anything other than a coordinated attack, but this isn’t my area of expertise so I’m open to hearing what people with a better scientific background can say about this.


2,750 tonnes of explosive. That's a lot of bang.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:16 pm

Heloin wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:I’m not a conspiratorial person, but after seeing footage of the blast and how insanely powerful it appeared (IE its shockwave evidently traveling for many miles in bursts), is there anyone with a better science prowess than myself that can explain to me how a warehouse fire could have resulted in such an unbelievably powerful explosion that sent shockwaves all the way to Cyprus?

I simply can’t fathom it being anything other than a coordinated attack, but this isn’t my area of expertise so I’m open to hearing what people with a better scientific background can say about this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_ ... _disasters


I’m more than aware of ammonium nitrate fires and their subsequent disasters, but in every instance I’ve seen footage of in regards to those disasters, I’ve never seen that level of destruction and sheer force from the blast, particularly a blast that could be felt in other nations.

I’m referring to, really, an explanation on how the blast could’ve had such intensity. I guess I underestimated the power of ammonium nitrate?
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:17 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:I’m not a conspiratorial person, but after seeing footage of the blast and how insanely powerful it appeared (IE its shockwave evidently traveling for many miles in bursts), is there anyone with a better science prowess than myself that can explain to me how a warehouse fire could have resulted in such an unbelievably powerful explosion that sent shockwaves all the way to Cyprus?

I simply can’t fathom it being anything other than a coordinated attack, but this isn’t my area of expertise so I’m open to hearing what people with a better scientific background can say about this.


2,750 tonnes of explosive. That's a lot of bang.


I suppose so. I don’t doubt it, just, wow. I have family friends in Beirut and they are still, as you can expect, flabbergasted.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:18 pm

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I’m more than aware of ammonium nitrate fires and their subsequent disasters, but in every instance I’ve seen footage of in regards to those disasters, I’ve never seen that level of destruction and sheer force from the blast, particularly a blast that could be felt in other nations.

I’m referring to, really, an explanation on how the blast could’ve had such intensity. I guess I underestimated the power of ammonium nitrate?

There were nearly 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate involved here. After reading the article Heloin gave that is a pretty large amount for a disaster like this.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:19 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:
I’m more than aware of ammonium nitrate fires and their subsequent disasters, but in every instance I’ve seen footage of in regards to those disasters, I’ve never seen that level of destruction and sheer force from the blast, particularly a blast that could be felt in other nations.

I’m referring to, really, an explanation on how the blast could’ve had such intensity. I guess I underestimated the power of ammonium nitrate?

There were nearly 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate involved here. After reading the article Heloin gave that is a pretty large amount for a disaster like this.


Again, I’m not immediately trying to shed doubt on the official explanation, I’m sorta just kicking myself for not understanding the power of ammonium nitrate. Sciences have never been my strong suit, shocker.

Edit: I remember seeing the Tianjin footage years ago, turns out that was 800 tonnes. In terms of magnitudes I can understand, the fallout from 2750 tonnes is now making more sense to me.
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I’m more than aware of ammonium nitrate fires and their subsequent disasters, but in every instance I’ve seen footage of in regards to those disasters, I’ve never seen that level of destruction and sheer force from the blast, particularly a blast that could be felt in other nations.

Any footage you've seen hasn't had as much ammonium nitrate. As for blasts that can be felt hundreds of kilometres away https://www.britannica.com/event/Texas- ... on-of-1947

I’m referring to, really, an explanation on how the blast could’ve had such intensity. I guess I underestimated the power of ammonium nitrate?

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Postby Punainen Suomi » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:20 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:I think once the science boffins complete their inquiry they'll put the power of the blast in the kilotons range, a level which is usually reserved for measuring the power of nuclear weapons. But even without the boffins telling me so, you can tell by the visual effects of the blast (such as the vaporisation of the air, the mushroom cloud, and the surrounding clouds literally being pushed out of the way, effects only usually seen with nuclear weapon levels of power) and the damage that the power was in the kilotons range.

The blast was so powerful people in Cyprus felt the shockwave. it has to be in the kiloton range.

Based on my (very rudimentary) calculations, it would have been about 1.1 kilotons or so.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:21 pm

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I’m more than aware of ammonium nitrate fires and their subsequent disasters, but in every instance I’ve seen footage of in regards to those disasters, I’ve never seen that level of destruction and sheer force from the blast, particularly a blast that could be felt in other nations.

Any footage you've seen hasn't had as much ammonium nitrate. As for blasts that can be felt hundreds of kilometres away https://www.britannica.com/event/Texas- ... on-of-1947

I’m referring to, really, an explanation on how the blast could’ve had such intensity. I guess I underestimated the power of ammonium nitrate?

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Welp, that’s just insane. Hoping Beirut can recover, it’s a lovely city that has so much more potential than being known as an unstable city in an unstable country.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:21 pm

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2,750 tonnes of explosive. That's a lot of bang.


I suppose so. I don’t doubt it, just, wow. I have family friends in Beirut and they are still, as you can expect, flabbergasted.


To give an idea, the Manchester bombing in 1996 involved less than 2 tonnes of ANFO. It fucked up the whole of the city centre.

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Postby The Corparation » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:22 pm

From what I've seen /read so far it seems like "fire at a fireworks warehouse sets of adjacent Ammonium Nitrate warehouse" is the most plausible explanation.


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Punainen Suomi wrote:Sounds quite similar to the 2015 Tianjin explosions, being caused by ammonium nitrate stored at a port. I would guess it was to be used as fertiliser or something like that.


More likely bomb material knowing how things have been in Lebanon.

I'm skeptical that Hezbollah has stockpiled that much "bomb material " in one place. Ammonium nitrate fertilizer on the other hand is something that was known to be in that area in quantities of a couple thousand tons and that Ammonium nitrate is just as explosive as many "bomb materials " (It's actually a precursor to a some common industrial explosives). As for why thousands of tons of it where lying around in the port, Ammonium Nitrate is one of those things a lot of people consider fairly mundane because hey only think of it as just another kind of fertilizer rather than as dangerous explosive. Because of this it's often stored haphazardly in warehouses in populated areas which is probably the last place it should stored*. People Treating it like just another fertilizer isn't just limited to China and the developing world but is even something you see in the US.



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