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Postby The Lone Alliance » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:20 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:I also notice that r/The_Donald was banned.

Well, that's going to lead to a wave of immigrants to sites like the Chans or Voat.

From what I heard from a friend The_Donald has been completely dead since late march after most of the mods were forcibly removed from power and Reddit approved Mods chosen to take their place, most of the users from the site migrated to their own forked version of Reddit that's just The_Donald.

So they nuked a dead board and called it a victory.
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Postby Radiatia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:21 pm

While I'm not a big fan of Reddit's policies (it's certainly not a website I would use for political discourse, for example, given its well-documented left-wing bias) I'm also not a fan of comparing things to the Nazis unless there is a serious reason to make the comparison.

Just as I'd roll my eyes at a left-winger calling Trump "literally Hitler", the same applies to calling Reddit et al Nazis (or "Reverse" Nazis). Such a comparison cheapens and fails to understand the magnitude of the atrocities that the Nazis committed and is a little bit offensive.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:22 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Ah yes, shutting down harassment and hate groups is so awful. In fact, it's just as bad as Nazi Germany.

It is when your definition of hatespeech is carefully constructed to target certain groups.

Say e.g. "it is hatespeech to claim Jesus is not Lord".
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:30 pm

New Bremerton wrote:I live in a Malay, Muslim-majority country. Does that mean I can be racist and bigoted toward Malays and Muslims now? I have a feeling the answer is NO, but blacks and Muslims in the West are free to be as bigoted and disgusting as they wish to Jews and white people..

It would be very amusing if reddit was consistent and allowed you to be.
But let us be fair : they cannot. Moderating would be a nightmare.

Person A: all muslims are smelly !
Mod: you are from Malaysia so that is allowed
Person B: all muslims are smelly !
Mod: you are from the Netherlands, so here is a ban.
Person A: Democrats are insane !
Mod: You live in Malaysia. Americans of any political leaning are a minority there. Have a ban.

Etc.
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Postby Mushet » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:30 pm

That's what they get for being redditors.
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Postby Purgatio » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:36 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
New Bremerton wrote:I live in a Malay, Muslim-majority country. Does that mean I can be racist and bigoted toward Malays and Muslims now? I have a feeling the answer is NO, but blacks and Muslims in the West are free to be as bigoted and disgusting as they wish to Jews and white people..

It would be very amusing if reddit was consistent and allowed you to be.
But let us be fair : they cannot. Moderating would be a nightmare.

Person A: all muslims are smelly !
Mod: you are from Malaysia so that is allowed
Person B: all muslims are smelly !
Mod: you are from the Netherlands, so here is a ban.
Person A: Democrats are insane !
Mod: You live in Malaysia. Americans of any political leaning are a minority there. Have a ban.

Etc.


Everything turns on how the Admin subjectively defines the concept of "marginalised and vulnerable groups", which are not okay to criticise in any way, compared to the so-called "majority" (I assume they don't mean numerical majority but the academic concept of a 'social majority' here, really isn't clear), but this is a distinction rife with debate and contention. Its impossible to know in advance what does or does not constitute 'hate speech'.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:57 pm

I hear Parler is nice at this time of year. Maybe the former users from The_Donald should go there instead.
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Postby Kaedijork » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:58 pm

Tornado Queendom wrote:
Hunzali wrote:..No? What does having to label it NSFW have to do with anything? If you haven't noticed, white fragility is peaking right now as when Caucasian people get even a slight taste of racial discrimination, they freak out. And you know what, I don't blame some of them. But reddit is not "racist" towards white people.

They are treating the undefined majority like hot garbage! That's what's wrong with it!
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I didn't realise all Nazi Germany did was change some rules that bans discrimination against all but a fairly loosely defined majority.

Though to make an actual point beyond "a Nazi Germany comparison is stupid", the rule should've protected people in the majority from genuine discrimination, harassment, bullying etc.

That's why I said "REVERSE Nazi Germany"


... so if we acknowledge that normal Nazi Germany is bad
why wouldn't reverse Nazi Germany be good?
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Postby Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:02 pm

Kaedijork wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:They are treating the undefined majority like hot garbage! That's what's wrong with it!

That's why I said "REVERSE Nazi Germany"


... so if we acknowledge that normal Nazi Germany is bad
why wouldn't reverse Nazi Germany be good?


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Postby Qvait » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:04 pm

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:05 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:More alarming has been the simultaneous purge conducted by YouTube.

oh no stefan molyneux can't post his plagiarized powerpoints about how feeemales destroyed rome anymore, what a tragic loss of a cultural institution, literally shaking & crying rn


It's funny until it happens to you. I don't even seen why this has to be a partisan issue. Everyone should be concerned about the power of tech oligarchs.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:07 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:More alarming has been the simultaneous purge conducted by YouTube.

So Collusion by the tech industry?


No shit
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:08 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:I also notice that r/The_Donald was banned.

Well, that's going to lead to a wave of immigrants to sites like the Chans or Voat.

From what I heard from a friend The_Donald has been completely dead since late march after most of the mods were forcibly removed from power and Reddit approved Mods chosen to take their place, most of the users from the site migrated to their own forked version of Reddit that's just The_Donald.

So they nuked a dead board and called it a victory.


It's the symobolism
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Postby Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:10 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:oh no stefan molyneux can't post his plagiarized powerpoints about how feeemales destroyed rome anymore, what a tragic loss of a cultural institution, literally shaking & crying rn


It's funny until it happens to you. I don't even seen why this has to be a partisan issue. Everyone should be concerned about the power of tech oligarchs.


On a serious note from me, this bear's got a point. YouTube, Twitch, Twitter and Facebook have had and are currently doing censorship (YouTube Adpocalypse 3.0, shadowbanning, mass bans + Twitch's #MeToo wave and random bans being handed out to streamers and "DMCA" strikes galore on both ends, as well as an apparently live DMCA strike system in the works for Twitch according to one of their higher level employees.) So....why're we mad about Reddit only? It's also important to note it's a privately owned site, and it is under no obligation to make sense to you, much like the universe.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:11 pm

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It's funny until it happens to you. I don't even seen why this has to be a partisan issue. Everyone should be concerned about the power of tech oligarchs.


On a serious note from me, this bear's got a point. YouTube, Twitch, Twitter and Facebook have had and are currently doing censorship (YouTube Adpocalypse 3.0, shadowbanning, mass bans + Twitch's #MeToo wave and random bans being handed out to streamers and "DMCA" strikes galore on both ends, as well as an apparently live DMCA strike system in the works for Twitch according to one of their higher level employees.) So....why're we mad about Reddit only? It's also important to note it's a privately owned site, and it is under no obligation to make sense to you, much like the universe.


I don't care much for reddit but my earlier post in this thread explicitly addresses youtube
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Postby Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:12 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
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On a serious note from me, this bear's got a point. YouTube, Twitch, Twitter and Facebook have had and are currently doing censorship (YouTube Adpocalypse 3.0, shadowbanning, mass bans + Twitch's #MeToo wave and random bans being handed out to streamers and "DMCA" strikes galore on both ends, as well as an apparently live DMCA strike system in the works for Twitch according to one of their higher level employees.) So....why're we mad about Reddit only? It's also important to note it's a privately owned site, and it is under no obligation to make sense to you, much like the universe.


I don't care much for reddit but my earlier post in this thread explicitly addresses youtube


Yep! Like you said, the tech giants have been doing this for a while and will continue doing it. It's going to be extraordinarily hard to get them to be more transparent, if they even will.
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Postby Fiveholm » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:13 pm

why should we care so much? Reddit is bought and sold by corporate and political entities anyways. Lets go back to decentralized forums.
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Postby Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:14 pm

Fiveholm wrote:why should we care so much? Reddit is bought and sold by corporate and political entities anyways. Lets go back to decentralized forums.


Well, like Bear and I are discussing, it isn't purely Reddit. These large tech giants tend to do what they want with little consequence, like most prominently and recently, YouTube and Twitch. This Reddit blip is barely worthy of being on the radar, but I don't want to derail the thread topic too badly.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:14 pm

Dawn Denac wrote:
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I don't care much for reddit but my earlier post in this thread explicitly addresses youtube


Yep! Like you said, the tech giants have been doing this for a while and will continue doing it. It's going to be extraordinarily hard to get them to be more transparent, if they even will.


It's just stupid that people can only see this issue within the context of Trump. But Trump isn't going to be president forever. One day, he'll be gone. Is Twitter going to give up its power to push an ideology? Is YouTube going to cut back on censorship? The precedent has already been set that these tech companies basically tell the government to suck their dicks. It's only going to get worse.
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Postby Qvait » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:15 pm

If you don't wanna get banned from using the website of a private company, maybe don't violate their terms of use. Just food for thought.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:15 pm

Fiveholm wrote:why should we care so much? Reddit is bought and sold by corporate and political entities anyways. Lets go back to decentralized forums.


It's not much a problem with reddit, but it's particularly egregious when it comes to YouTube and search engines
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:16 pm

I wish they didn't get rid of CTH (I liked them), but considering the other vile cesspools that went with it I still think this is something of a positive.

Considering that I don't use Reddit much anyways, none of it really bothers me but I'm glad some of these places are gone.
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Postby Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:16 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
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Yep! Like you said, the tech giants have been doing this for a while and will continue doing it. It's going to be extraordinarily hard to get them to be more transparent, if they even will.


It's just stupid that people can only see this issue within the context of Trump. But Trump isn't going to be president forever. One day, he'll be gone. Is Twitter going to give up its power to push an ideology? Is YouTube going to cut back on censorship? The precedent has already been set that these tech companies basically tell the government to suck their dicks. It's only going to get worse.


Money makes problems disappear. As long as people keep using these sites, they'll keep having money to throw at their issues. Good luck with lawsuits too, cause they'll likely drown you in litigation and legal fees.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:16 pm

Qvait wrote:If you don't wanna get banned from using the website of a private company, maybe don't violate their terms of use. Just food for thought.


*big brain moment*
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Postby Dawn Denac » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:17 pm

Qvait wrote:If you don't wanna get banned from using the website of a private company, maybe don't violate their terms of use. Just food for thought.


Well you see, the issue with these bans is a lot of times they don't -tell- why people got banned or give some bland blanket statement that doesn't really solve anything but somehow brings up more questions.
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