Should Charges for Animal Cruelty be Tougher?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Did someone who wasn't the person who destroyed the nest own the swan?

Edit: It's in the UK. Of course they did. The queen owned the swan, providing that urban myth is true. If so, charge them with criminal damage.

[New haven america]

Did someone who wasn't the person who destroyed the nest own the swan?

Edit: It's in the UK. Of course they did. The queen owned the swan, providing that urban myth is true. If so, charge them with criminal damage.

The Queen actually does own all unmarked/unowned (By her) swans in UK and even then most swans are protected in the UK as only a few select people are legally allowed to hunt them in any given year.

So yeah, what they did was generally not a good thing from both a moral and legal standpoint.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Did someone who wasn't the person who destroyed the nest own the swan?

Edit: It's in the UK. Of course they did. The queen owned the swan, providing that urban myth is true. If so, charge them with criminal damage.

The Queen actually does own all unmarked/unowned (By her) swans in UK and even then most swans are protected in the UK as only a few select people are legally allowed to hunt them in any given year.

So yeah, what they did was generally not a good thing from both a moral and legal standpoint.

Very well, criminal damage it is then. No further charges necessary.

[Thepeopl]

Why would you willfully hurt another living creature for no reason? Animals may not be sapient but they definitely feel pain and experience emotions.

Why would you feel empathy for another living creature that doesn't have it for you?

Who says they don't?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/200 ... tionalnews

https://youtu.be/rD6ziL-1bBY

https://youtu.be/MeDfLO_ice0

https://youtu.be/tCFAk-YlhZo

[Washington Resistance Army]

To add onto Thepeopl's links, there's a pretty wide range of research into empathy and such emotions in the animal kingdom. To claim wild animals don't feel it, even for humans, seems pretty grossly incorrect given the centuries of examples of entirely wild animals helping people in distress. Not to mention the examples of them helping each other.

That's not to say everything out there is gonna love you, cuz predators still exist, but for whatever reasons sometimes even they help other creatures in distress. Mammalian brains in particular are weird yo.

[Katganistan]

Without question I believe the penalties for animal cruelty should be vastly stronger. It's a monstrous activity.

We are in agreement here.

[Kowani]

…Considering that doesn’t work for abortion, (mostly because that’s not how they do it) I don’t know why you’d think you’ve thought this through.

I am referencing an actual anti-abortion law that was just signed.

Assuming you’re referencing the TN law, even they don’t require that the woman watch an actual video of an abortion.

[The Emerald Legion]

To add onto Thepeopl's links, there's a pretty wide range of research into empathy and such emotions in the animal kingdom. To claim wild animals don't feel it, even for humans, seems pretty grossly incorrect given the centuries of examples of entirely wild animals helping people in distress. Not to mention the examples of them helping each other.

That's not to say everything out there is gonna love you, cuz predators still exist, but for whatever reasons sometimes even they help other creatures in distress. Mammalian brains in particular are weird yo.

I don't see how this contradicts my previous statements. If the animals display empathy and give you aid, they're your ally and friend and should not be harmed without good reason. Otherwise, they are owed no particular goodwill.

I did not say they were incapable of Empathy or good relations with humanity, I just said that in absence of such relations, they are effectively your enemy and should be treated as such.

[Katganistan]

What fantasy world do you live in lol. Short of, idk, cougars and bears there's not many hostile animals an American citizen can run into.

Wolves have been known to attack humans every now and then though those attacks have most been caused by rabies.

Those are pretty isolated instances, usually involving rabies or starvation. Wolves generally nope the hell out if they see humans. There are 112 documented attacks of wolves on humans in North America from 1761-2020... a span of 259 years. 33 were fatal; 70 were not. That's less than one attack every two years, and some of the reports are sketchier than others.

Wolfdogs, bred by idiot humans, have no innate fear of humans and ARE dangerous.

[Katganistan]

Firstly, linking the practise of eating meat with sadists who torture animals is a cheap and disingenuous attempt at point-scoring that completely blurs the debate.

Second, that would be like anti-abortion tactics: using low emotional blackmail to pressure people out of making a choice that is optimal for their health (some vital minerals, not to continue this for too long, are most easily found and digested from meat sources)

How is making someone aware of what they're doing emotional blackmail?

A pregnant woman was beaten by racist cops.
Her unborn child died.
Many in BLM would (rightly) consider her child a victim of police brutality.
If so they should be against abortion.
People know they could get pregnant when they have sex.
It's fine if they don't want babies and so use contraception but that's a risk their taking. So how is it restricting their "right to choose" if they don't.

This is not an abortion thread. This is also not a Black Lives Matter thread, nor a police brutality thread.

This is an animal abuse thread.

Kindly take your other arguments to the appropriate venues.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Wolves have been known to attack humans every now and then though those attacks have most been caused by rabies.

Those are pretty isolated instances, usually involving rabies or starvation. Wolves generally nope the hell out if they see humans. There are 112 documented attacks of wolves on humans in North America from 1761-2020... a span of 259 years. 33 were fatal; 70 were not. That's less than one attack every two years, and some of the reports are sketchier than others.

Wolfdogs, bred by idiot humans, have no innate fear of humans and ARE dangerous.

This ^

Bears, mountain lions, and aligators are probably the three apex predators in the US that will hunt humans as food. That isnt to say a starving wolfpack wont consider it.

Again though it all boils down to a societal disconnect with nature.

[Ifreann]

To add onto Thepeopl's links, there's a pretty wide range of research into empathy and such emotions in the animal kingdom. To claim wild animals don't feel it, even for humans, seems pretty grossly incorrect given the centuries of examples of entirely wild animals helping people in distress. Not to mention the examples of them helping each other.

That's not to say everything out there is gonna love you, cuz predators still exist, but for whatever reasons sometimes even they help other creatures in distress. Mammalian brains in particular are weird yo.

I don't see how this contradicts my previous statements. If the animals display empathy and give you aid, they're your ally and friend and should not be harmed without good reason. Otherwise, they are owed no particular goodwill.

I did not say they were incapable of Empathy or good relations with humanity, I just said that in absence of such relations, they are effectively your enemy and should be treated as such.

What absolute wank.

[Qabea]

What defines animal cruelty? Like, I know the treatment of animals in packing plants is truly disgusting but on the other hand I like cheap pork, chicken, and beef.

[The Emerald Legion]

I don't see how this contradicts my previous statements. If the animals display empathy and give you aid, they're your ally and friend and should not be harmed without good reason. Otherwise, they are owed no particular goodwill.

I did not say they were incapable of Empathy or good relations with humanity, I just said that in absence of such relations, they are effectively your enemy and should be treated as such.

What absolute wank.

Said by someone who's clearly never lived in the country or met animals.

[San Lumen]

What defines animal cruelty? Like, I know the treatment of animals in packing plants is truly disgusting but on the other hand I like cheap pork, chicken, and beef.

What happened to the swans unborn babies is animal cruelty

[Ifreann]

What absolute wank.

Said by someone who's clearly never lived in the country or met animals.

Your assumption is as false as your edginess.

[Qabea]

What defines animal cruelty? Like, I know the treatment of animals in packing plants is truly disgusting but on the other hand I like cheap pork, chicken, and beef.

What happened to the swans unborn babies is animal cruelty

I mean, those kids are definitely cunts.

[San Lumen]

What happened to the swans unborn babies is animal cruelty

I mean, those kids are definitely cunts.

And they deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible and should face jail time

[Qabea]

I mean, those kids are definitely cunts.

And they deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible and should face jail time

That's a little too far, maybe a fine. I don't think a few kids lives should be ruined because of this, it's literally the epitome of "boys being boys." At the end of the day, I would say the only reason this probably happened is because kids are bored under the quarantine.

[San Lumen]

And they deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible and should face jail time

That's a little too far, maybe a fine. I don't think a few kids lives should be ruined because of this, it's literally the epitome of "boys being boys." At the end of the day, I would say the only reason this probably happened is because kids are bored under the quarantine.

That’s not a excuse. This was murder plain and simple and they need to be taught a lesson and made an example of

[Qabea]

I mean, to call it "murder" when regarding the eggs really walks on the thin line of hypocrisy for someone I assume is a pro-choicer. Uhh if you mean the broken heart thing is murder, that's an unintended consequence these boys probably didn't know. I still think these were some asshole kids who deserve a slap on the wrist but nothing further.

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That's a little too far, maybe a fine. I don't think a few kids lives should be ruined because of this, it's literally the epitome of "boys being boys." At the end of the day, I would say the only reason this probably happened is because kids are bored under the quarantine.

That’s not a excuse. This was murder plain and simple and they need to be taught a lesson and made an example of

Didn't take long for you to transition from being a vanilla liberal to more authoritarian than the MAGA crowd.

You can't beat compassion into people, you can't right wrongs by inflicting extreme retribution.

[San Lumen]

That’s not a excuse. This was murder plain and simple and they need to be taught a lesson and made an example of

Didn't take long for you to transition from being a vanilla liberal to more authoritarian than the MAGA crowd.

You can't beat compassion into people, you can't right wrongs by inflicting extreme retribution.

I am merely saying a slap on the wrist isn’t good enough. They ought to face a heavy fine and perhaps jail time

[Ifreann]

Didn't take long for you to transition from being a vanilla liberal to more authoritarian than the MAGA crowd.

You can't beat compassion into people, you can't right wrongs by inflicting extreme retribution.

I am merely saying a slap on the wrist isn’t good enough. They ought to face a heavy fine and perhaps jail time

What would that accomplish?

[San Lumen]

I am merely saying a slap on the wrist isn’t good enough. They ought to face a heavy fine and perhaps jail time

What would that accomplish?

Deter others from doing something similar