by San Lumen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:05 am
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:25 am
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by San Lumen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:26 am
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I doubt you’ll get a judge to rule killing a swan or a dog as “murder”. That being said, animal cruelty should be prosecuted a little more harshly than it is.
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:34 am
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by Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:36 am
by Katganistan » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:38 am
by San Lumen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:39 am
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:San Lumen wrote:
What do you propose?
I’d impose jail (adults) or correctional time (teens) depending on the severity of the animal abuse and the circumstances by which it happened. Community service is another one. But not just any type, something quite time consuming and physically taxing, and expunging of records can be done upon completion. You don’t necessarily want to ruin a teenager’s life, but rather make them aware that actions have very real consequences.
by Geneviev » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:45 am
by San Lumen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:46 am
Katganistan wrote:Animals are not people, it is true. But animals can feel pain and fear and suffer.
People who abuse animals should honestly be fined and be placed in some sort of rehabilitation program. If they are repeat offenders, then perhaps being placed in mental health care until they are rehabilitated is necessary.
One of the "triad" of serial killer indicators is torturing/killing animals, so it's really not the 'no big deal' some seem to think it is.
by San Lumen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:47 am
Geneviev wrote:Don't charge them with murder, but definitely be tougher. People need to learn to respect animals.
by Geneviev » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:48 am
by San Lumen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:50 am
by Geneviev » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:55 am
San Lumen wrote:Geneviev wrote:It would do that. But these teens were young and probably didn't know better, and that should be taken into account.
Didn't know better? They killed the offspring of another living thing, broke her heart, and killed her too. Saying they didnt know better isn't an excuse and therefore it should be taken into account. This was murder plain and simple and should be treated as such.
by San Lumen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:58 am
Geneviev wrote:San Lumen wrote:Didn't know better? They killed the offspring of another living thing, broke her heart, and killed her too. Saying they didnt know better isn't an excuse and therefore it should be taken into account. This was murder plain and simple and should be treated as such.
Murder is willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing. It requires the intent to kill, which would require them to be aware of what they were doing. If they were not, and I think they weren't, it is not murder.
by Geneviev » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:01 am
San Lumen wrote:Geneviev wrote:Murder is willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing. It requires the intent to kill, which would require them to be aware of what they were doing. If they were not, and I think they weren't, it is not murder.
Murder doesnt have to be premeditated. How could they not have been aware of what they were doing?
by San Lumen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:03 am
Geneviev wrote:San Lumen wrote:
Murder doesnt have to be premeditated. How could they not have been aware of what they were doing?
They were probably too young to realize the consequences of their actions or that animals can experience pain.
And premeditation is generally included in the requirements for first degree murder.
by Ideal Britain » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:05 am
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I doubt you’ll get a judge to rule killing a swan or a dog as “murder”. That being said, animal cruelty should be prosecuted a little more harshly than it is.
by Estanglia » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:11 am
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
by Purpelia » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:14 am
by Major-Tom » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:30 am
by San Lumen » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:07 am
Ideal Britain wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I doubt you’ll get a judge to rule killing a swan or a dog as “murder”. That being said, animal cruelty should be prosecuted a little more harshly than it is.
A lot more harshly but it's not murder.
The pieces of excrement that did that should get at least 5 years though.
They caused extreme distress to an animal for absolutely no reason so why should anyone care about them going to jail?
They shouldn't have done that and there was no extenunating circumstance meaning they felt backed into a corner (unlike with some charges of violence against animals or people).
Lock em up and publicly name and shame them.
Purpelia wrote:No, not only should they not be tougher but they should be entirely removed. Animals are NOT people. And to restrict the rights of your voting populace for the sake of non sentient critters is frankly moronic. We only do it out of a wrong and moronic sense of sentimentality. And that is not a good reason to do anything. Animal rights should instead be rolled back and entirely removed so that beasts can once again take their rightful place as property.
PS. This does not mean I condone killing other peoples pets or livestock. That's property damage. And property damage should be dealt with with cruelty and wrath.
PPS. I am also not against conservation. Maintaining a functioning ecosystem is in the higher interest of all humans not dying horribly so concessions have to be made to that. Just as long as we remember we are doing it for humans sake and NOT for natures sake. It's a keep your slave alive and healthy so that it can keep working your field efficiently sort of deal.
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:15 pm
by Ideal Britain » Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:16 pm
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:They probably had no idea of the consequences. I dont value any animals life over a humans. Except maybe reallly extraordinarily shitty people. Maybe send the kids to voluntold at the humane society for a summer, or with the dnr if Britain has any legit forests left (?).
This is what happens when there is a societal disconnect with nature.
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