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Postby Aclion » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:35 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:This is why it's good to leave Confederate statues up, they serve as effective decoys to protect the better statues.

We should put up statues of all sorts of historically reviled figures for angry rioters to tear down whenever they feel cranky.

They'll be like statue pinatas.

So just set up a wackmole Hitler puppets and call it a day?
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Postby BurritoBowl » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:37 pm

The US is evil to an irredeemable degree, and the destruction of its symbols is objectively good and should be encouraged

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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:39 pm

BurritoBowl wrote:The US is evil to an irredeemable degree, and the destruction of its symbols is objectively good and should be encouraged


Shoot. It looks like the Chinese have broken through their firewall.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:44 pm

Aclion wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:This is why it's good to leave Confederate statues up, they serve as effective decoys to protect the better statues.

We should put up statues of all sorts of historically reviled figures for angry rioters to tear down whenever they feel cranky.

They'll be like statue pinatas.

So just set up a wackmole Hitler puppets and call it a day?

Exactly, you can even have little mallets beside it.

Since most of these people also hate Trump we can even put up a bunch of statues of Trumps with similar mallets, Trump will love it because there's statues of him, supporters of Trump will love it because there are statues of him, and the Trump haters will love it because now they can legally beat something that looks like Trump with a hammer.
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Postby Aeritai » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:48 pm

BurritoBowl wrote:The US is evil to an irredeemable degree, and the destruction of its symbols is objectively good and should be encouraged


Not everything in the US is evil there are some good things about the United States. As for destroying symbols I understand removing statues, but destroying other symbols like the American flag or war memorials? That's a big no from me.
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Postby Ferretastan » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:52 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Ngl thats pretty fucking stupid. If you destroy everything that has bad history behind it, you're just gonna get rid of most of history.


I 100% agree with you

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Postby Purpelia » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:05 pm

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The Reformed American Republic wrote:Exactly. They want a new nation based off the ideals of left wing sociologists and the like.

Do they not realize that would require a civil war that they would most certainly lose?

They are left wing fanatics that genuinely believe that the white race is evil, has a nation wide conspiracy to keep them down and owes them servitude to make them economically equal to compensate for it. There is quite a lot of things they are unable to realize.
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Postby Federal Republic Of America And The Cari » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:13 pm

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Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:Best way actually

On a serious note however,by pulling this shit they are not only destroying their cause,but they end up giving people such as white supremacists more leverage against BLM.
In other words,they played themselves.

Not really. White supremacists have a history of far more heinous activity. They're not a redeemable ideological faction.

Any racial supremacist,be it black,white, asian,or ethnic supremacists are irredeemable human beings who have gone too far down the rabbit hole.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:19 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:Best way actually

On a serious note however,by pulling this shit they are not only destroying their cause,but they end up giving people such as white supremacists more leverage against BLM.
In other words,they played themselves.

Not really. White supremacists have a history of far more heinous activity. They're not a redeemable ideological faction.


same could be said of a myriad of far-left ideologies
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:53 pm

I really don’t understand people these days. We are supposed to evolve. How does erasing people from history solve anything? The removal of the confederate statues make sense as they were placed in rather racist times. Most were not about simple history. Most where about an agenda.

So what if Jefferson, Washington, and Grant owned slaves? They were products of their time. They had flaws. Just like we do today. Just like the BLM people, etc., etc.

Anyway. Not really supporting them on this.....
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:58 pm

not the people who are angrier abt statues getting damaged than people of color getting killed lol
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:01 pm

Senkaku wrote:not the people who are angrier abt statues getting damaged than people of color getting killed lol


Yes. Because people who think its bad statues are being destroyed are ok with black people getting killed by cops. LOL
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:This shit is going to lead to a massive backslash

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:05 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:06 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:\
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It's the massive backslash he was warning us about!

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Postby Hakons » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:28 pm

From a Twitter thread, the Spanish Embassy announced they contacted federal, state, and local authorities after the vandalism of Serra and Cervantes.

We deeply regret the destruction of the statue of Saint Junípero Serra in San Francisco today, and would like to offer a reminder of his great efforts in support of indigenous communities. It is also with great regret that we receive the news of the damages inflicted upon the bust of Miguel de Cervantes, who was himself held as a slave in Algiers for 5 years, and whose literature serves as a call for freedom and equality. Defending the Spanish legacy in the U.S. is a priority of our foreign policy in this country, and we will continue to do so by intensifying our educational efforts in order for the reality of our shared history to be better known and understood. We are also expressing our deep concern regarding these attacks to federal, state, and local authorities, asking that the memory of our rich shared history be protected, always with the utmost respect for the debates currently taking place.


Negligent mayors are now letting this reach to the level of diplomatic harm.
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Postby Alt-Right Death Squads » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:35 pm

Aeritai wrote:What is your opinion on this NSG was this a good move or no?
Trump said this would happen, Trump is once again correct.

There will be violence, the founding fathers are practically magical figures. You might as well have burned the Koran inside a Mosque. Point is, this problem is about to solve itself so I don't really think anything of it nor will my involvement need be required; I just find this all amusing and am enjoying the covid race riots from the sidelines.

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Postby Atheris » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:36 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:This shit is going to lead to a massive backslash

-snip-

Oh, ha, ha. That's not funny.

(it actually is, gj)
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Postby Atheris » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:39 pm

Kowani wrote:
Atheris wrote:...? Trump isn't a white supremacist...

He may not be a white supremacist, because I don’t think he’s intelligent enough for that, but he’s a racist.

Oh damn. "Not intelligent enough to be a white supremacist". That's a really fucking good one.
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Postby Alt-Right Death Squads » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:39 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:This shit is going to lead to a massive backslash

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Postby Spiritual Republic of Caryton » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:42 pm

They did this to the Brigham Young statue in BYU. Honestly, the people who do these things should /at least/ made to publicly clean up or repair the things that they destroyed.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:42 pm

Senkaku wrote:not the people who are angrier abt statues getting damaged than people of color getting killed lol

Because seeing minorities acting stupid and violent is going to make cops less likely to want to kill them. :roll:

Yeah big brain moment there.
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Postby Bruke » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:43 pm

Hakons wrote:From a Twitter thread, the Spanish Embassy announced they contacted federal, state, and local authorities after the vandalism of Serra and Cervantes.

We deeply regret the destruction of the statue of Saint Junípero Serra in San Francisco today, and would like to offer a reminder of his great efforts in support of indigenous communities. It is also with great regret that we receive the news of the damages inflicted upon the bust of Miguel de Cervantes, who was himself held as a slave in Algiers for 5 years, and whose literature serves as a call for freedom and equality. Defending the Spanish legacy in the U.S. is a priority of our foreign policy in this country, and we will continue to do so by intensifying our educational efforts in order for the reality of our shared history to be better known and understood. We are also expressing our deep concern regarding these attacks to federal, state, and local authorities, asking that the memory of our rich shared history be protected, always with the utmost respect for the debates currently taking place.


Negligent mayors are now letting this reach to the level of diplomatic harm.


To be fair, Trump letting the Lafayette Square situation get out of hand also caused diplomatic harm.

I hope history becoming a culture war issue doesn't lead to extreme politicization of history.

It was already political enough.

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Postby Vetalia » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:44 pm

I wonder if "Amazing Grace" will be banned next. After all, the author committed the unforgivable sin of being a slave trader in his past.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:I really don’t understand people these days. We are supposed to evolve. How does erasing people from history solve anything? The removal of the confederate statues make sense as they were placed in rather racist times. Most were not about simple history. Most where about an agenda.

So what if Jefferson, Washington, and Grant owned slaves? They were products of their time. They had flaws. Just like we do today. Just like the BLM people, etc., etc.

Anyway. Not really supporting them on this.....

Eh, I'm iffy on the statues of these guys being taken down, but... who is being erased from history, in this case? In particular, what history does Washington have with Oregon? I don't like this argument.
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