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2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Post War America
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Post War America » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:22 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
If I were in power, I'd be doing my best to encourage people to develop self-reliant communities, put measures in place to cooperativize the economy, and maybe abolish the legislative state if the first two seem to work. The points I am trying to make are to try and make the shitty neolib party win over the even more shitty neoconservative party more often than it does.

Go run for state legislature in 2022 then or perhaps local office next year


...This is so tone deaf that I don't even no where to go with it.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:22 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:True, but my point stands. We allow people to harm themselves from time to time, because freedom gives the chance to make poor decisions.


There is nothing wrong with personal freedom until it starts harming others.


Surely you support outlawing alcohol in that case, because that causes a huge amount of harm yearly for people who don't drink.
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Organized States
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Ex-Nation

Postby Organized States » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:23 am

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Go run for state legislature in 2022 then or perhaps local office next year


...This is so tone deaf that I don't even no where to go with it.

Welcome to NSG: Home of the Tone Deaf and the Politically Confused
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San Lumen
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:23 am

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Go run for state legislature in 2022 then or perhaps local office next year


...This is so tone deaf that I don't even no where to go with it.

How else is what you want going to come to fruition?

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby United States of Devonta » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:23 am

Welp about time for a new thread
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:24 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
There is nothing wrong with personal freedom until it starts harming others.


Surely you support outlawing alcohol in that case, because that causes a huge amount of harm yearly for people who don't drink.

Tried that, did more harm. So we found other ways to reduce the harm that alcohol causes by instead focusing on the specific activities that harm others when alcohol is involved.
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Postby -Astoria- » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:24 am

United States of Devonta wrote:Welp about time for a new thread
Indeed.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:24 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
There is nothing wrong with personal freedom until it starts harming others.


Surely you support outlawing alcohol in that case, because that causes a huge amount of harm yearly for people who don't drink.


I do support the drinking and driving laws.

I do support not allowing people to work a job intoxicated.

You can get drunk all you want. It becomes a problem when you are in a position to harm others.
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Telconi
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Ex-Nation

Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:25 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:True, but my point stands. We allow people to harm themselves from time to time, because freedom gives the chance to make poor decisions.


There is nothing wrong with personal freedom until it starts harming others.


Or it offends people who don't like that particular freedom evidently.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:26 am

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
There is nothing wrong with personal freedom until it starts harming others.


Or it offends people who don't like that particular freedom evidently.


That makes no sense.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Post War America
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Post War America » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:26 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
...This is so tone deaf that I don't even no where to go with it.

How else is what you want going to come to fruition?


Direct action, labor organizing, recruiting for the wobblies, organizing strikes up to and including general strikes. You know shit I've been doing to the best of my ability for the past several years.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:27 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Surely you support outlawing alcohol in that case, because that causes a huge amount of harm yearly for people who don't drink.


I do support the drinking and driving laws.

I do support not allowing people to work a job intoxicated.

You can get drunk all you want. It becomes a problem when you are in a position to harm others.


Drinking and driving laws are only useful after the fact, people still get harmed. Not to mention the other plethora of ways alcohol causes harm. Surely with your position of personal freedom being fine until it starts harming others it would be prudent to simply be against this personal freedom, no?
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United States of Devonta
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Postby United States of Devonta » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:28 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Surely you support outlawing alcohol in that case, because that causes a huge amount of harm yearly for people who don't drink.


I do support the drinking and driving laws.

I do support not allowing people to work a job intoxicated.

You can get drunk all you want. It becomes a problem when you are in a position to harm others.


I feel like the sanctity of "seat belt laws" and "Drunk driving" laws are only questioned by high school kids and libertarians who never really grown out of that stage.

Pretty big consensus that they are good and have contributed to allot of harm reduction.
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Organized States
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Ex-Nation

Postby Organized States » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:28 am

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
There is nothing wrong with personal freedom until it starts harming others.


Or it offends people who don't like that particular freedom evidently.

Or when a woman wants to do it!
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"I regret that I have only one life to give to my island." -Ricardo Bordallo, 2nd Governor of Guam
"Both are voyages of exploration. Hōkūle‘a is in the past, Columbia is in the future." -Colonel Charles L. Veach, USAF, Astronaut and Navigation Enthusiast

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Shrillland
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:28 am

Here's Number 8 for your pleasure or lack thereof: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=490124

This thread is done.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:29 am

Shrillland wrote:Here's Number 8 for your pleasure or lack thereof: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=490124

This thread is done.

Then I am locking the thread.
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