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2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:46 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
So Biden thinks that instead of killing people for running from cops, we should permanently cripple them instead.

Told you all hes a radical centrist. One guy said we should try to use non lethal force to apprehend suspects and another said we should shoot them in the back, and Biden said "let's compromise. We shoot them in the knees."

Don't let him fool you.


Oh, right, the man who wants to cut social security and bomb Arab people is a radical leftist.

How could I forget?
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Postby Asle Leopolka » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:47 pm

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Asle Leopolka wrote:Rice is not a shit choice, but he really painted himself in the corner by playing identity politics BINGO.


What was though about bias, projection and being right?

Not derailing the thread, though :D
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:49 pm

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:50 pm


Of course Bolton fucking lied, he’s a neocon, and I never bought into the China Trump thing. It’s common knowledge Russia backed Trump, but China clearly wants Biden and his friendly trade policies and lowering of tariffs. Our country is literally being torn apart by foreign powers, a partition of sorts
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:53 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:

Of course Bolton fucking lied, he’s a neocon, and I never bought into the China Trump thing. It’s common knowledge Russia backed Trump, but China clearly wants Biden and his friendly trade policies and lowering of tariffs. Our country is literally being torn apart by foreign powers, a partition of sorts

I doubt the common knowledge on Trump. But great reason to not vote for Biden, which is what President Trump has been saying about Biden.
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Postby Jedi Council » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:10 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:A pardoned convicted criminal. Try to pay attention.

Yes, a pardoned convicted criminal, so not a criminal.

We can still judge him for being convicted of a crime in the first place, even without having any later punishment.

When Ford pardoned Nixon, I dont think anyone just nodded and said "Yeah, hes cool now."

Arpaio is a fucking lunatic who treats other human beings like dirt.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:14 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Yes, a pardoned convicted criminal, so not a criminal.

We can still judge him for being convicted of a crime in the first place, even without having any later punishment.

When Ford pardoned Nixon, I dont think anyone just nodded and said "Yeah, hes cool now."

Arpaio is a fucking lunatic who treats other human beings like dirt.

He was a tough cop.
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:15 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:We can still judge him for being convicted of a crime in the first place, even without having any later punishment.

When Ford pardoned Nixon, I dont think anyone just nodded and said "Yeah, hes cool now."

Arpaio is a fucking lunatic who treats other human beings like dirt.

He was a tough cop.


Stay in your lane. I spent over a decade in Maricopa County when Arpaio was Sheriff. He treated his citizens, his taxpayers, and human lives as if they were just secondary priorities. He was a repugnant and corrupt human being, and his legacy still scars tens of thousands of PHX residents who had families and lives ripped apart by his predatory policies.

So, respectfully, stay in your lane.

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Postby Shrillland » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:17 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:We can still judge him for being convicted of a crime in the first place, even without having any later punishment.

When Ford pardoned Nixon, I dont think anyone just nodded and said "Yeah, hes cool now."

Arpaio is a fucking lunatic who treats other human beings like dirt.

He was a tough cop.


Tough is one thing, inhuman is another. Forcing people to eat moldy food and live in 120 degree heat is monstrous no matter what they did, and it's no better than how the Communists in Cuba treat their prisoners.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:21 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:We can still judge him for being convicted of a crime in the first place, even without having any later punishment.

When Ford pardoned Nixon, I dont think anyone just nodded and said "Yeah, hes cool now."

Arpaio is a fucking lunatic who treats other human beings like dirt.

He was a tough cop.

He was an awful person. Do some research on him and get back to me on how great he was

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Postby Jedi Council » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:26 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:We can still judge him for being convicted of a crime in the first place, even without having any later punishment.

When Ford pardoned Nixon, I dont think anyone just nodded and said "Yeah, hes cool now."

Arpaio is a fucking lunatic who treats other human beings like dirt.

He was a tough cop.


He openly called his prisons "concentration camps," where prisoners were subject to incredible abuse and dehumanizing garbage. He failed to investigate hundreds of sex offense claims, and he was widely regarded as being the most prolific racial profiler in America by the DOJ.

He was not a tough cop.

He was a racist, authoritarian, power crazed maniac who had utter contempt for the law unless he agreed with it. He was a terrible Sherriff, he was a terrible person.

And any support for him reflects terribly on you, or anyone else frankly. He should be in prison right now, and the only reason he is not, is because the President thought he would do his buddy a favour.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:He was a tough cop.

He was an awful person. Do some research on him and get back to me on how great he was

I know you have a point, thanks for the post.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:33 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:He was a tough cop.


Stay in your lane. I spent over a decade in Maricopa County when Arpaio was Sheriff. He treated his citizens, his taxpayers, and human lives as if they were just secondary priorities. He was a repugnant and corrupt human being, and his legacy still scars tens of thousands of PHX residents who had families and lives ripped apart by his predatory policies.

So, respectfully, stay in your lane.

I believe you, thanks.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:36 pm

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Why not? It’s not like I plan to watch any of it since it’s all virtual. How are the networks even going to air it?

I’d rather not have a possible pedo and definite rapist plus all around creep at any event
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:56 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Stay in your lane. I spent over a decade in Maricopa County when Arpaio was Sheriff. He treated his citizens, his taxpayers, and human lives as if they were just secondary priorities. He was a repugnant and corrupt human being, and his legacy still scars tens of thousands of PHX residents who had families and lives ripped apart by his predatory policies.

So, respectfully, stay in your lane.

I believe you, thanks.

You would probably still support him given that he has an R next to his name.
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Postby Cordel One » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:10 pm

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Cordel One wrote:One day Trump will say we need to be safe, and the next he'll downplay it or talk about immediately reopening. We need to put human lives before the economy and keep sending money to those who need it, but we're not doing that,

At some point you have to lift restrictions or the entire economy will go under and that will be worse than any pandemic

Most other countries are reopening, but they've contained it. We can probably get to that point in 2 months if we really try, but if it continues on its current trend we won't be reopening for a long time.
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I suggested, we keep wearing the masks and social distancing as much as possible at work and in public. You suggest we lock down the economy even further. So by your logic lets shut down all businesses, the grocery stores, the merchandise stores, the gas stations, and all businesses, so I wont get infected, you wont get infected, and we wont get infected. But I say, lets open up the economy as safely as possible, following the health guidelines, of wearing the masks and social distancing at work and in public, what we have been doing, are doing and its the only we can do, no one is going to do it differently.

You're putting words in my mouth. I think we should close everything that's not absolutely essential and begin taking the steps that basically every other country on the planet has to contain it. There is no way in hell I'm gonna die for a company.

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Postby Czechostan » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:55 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:

Of course Bolton fucking lied, he’s a neocon, and I never bought into the China Trump thing. It’s common knowledge Russia backed Trump, but China clearly wants Biden and his friendly trade policies and lowering of tariffs. Our country is literally being torn apart by foreign powers, a partition of sorts

If China's backing Biden, that's a stupid move on their part. No one's done a better job at dismantling US alliances than Trump, clearing the path for China to get closer to Europe/"shithole countries." There's a reason Trump is nicknamed the "nation-builder" in China.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:59 pm

Czechostan wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Of course Bolton fucking lied, he’s a neocon, and I never bought into the China Trump thing. It’s common knowledge Russia backed Trump, but China clearly wants Biden and his friendly trade policies and lowering of tariffs. Our country is literally being torn apart by foreign powers, a partition of sorts

If China's backing Biden, that's a stupid move on their part. No one's done a better job at dismantling US alliances than Trump, clearing the path for China to get closer to Europe/"shithole countries." There's a reason Trump is nicknamed the "nation-builder" in China.

The neoliberals gave China an unparalleled opportunity to rise against the US. It's not just about alliances, one must also factor in economics.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:03 pm

Czechostan wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Of course Bolton fucking lied, he’s a neocon, and I never bought into the China Trump thing. It’s common knowledge Russia backed Trump, but China clearly wants Biden and his friendly trade policies and lowering of tariffs. Our country is literally being torn apart by foreign powers, a partition of sorts

If China's backing Biden, that's a stupid move on their part. No one's done a better job at dismantling US alliances than Trump, clearing the path for China to get closer to Europe/"shithole countries." There's a reason Trump is nicknamed the "nation-builder" in China.


It's obviously a ploy.

China backs Biden to confuse people and rally them against Biden in support of Trump, specifically the people who don't care that Russia is backing him. It's black flag 101. And of course, Kex, Davincia and Fascism fell for it hook line and stinker, as do most people who supposedly don't support Trump but would rather him win than Biden. :roll:

The fact of the matter is... None of these countries should be having a fucking say in our elections, but Trump is letting them.
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Postby Czechostan » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:06 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Czechostan wrote:If China's backing Biden, that's a stupid move on their part. No one's done a better job at dismantling US alliances than Trump, clearing the path for China to get closer to Europe/"shithole countries." There's a reason Trump is nicknamed the "nation-builder" in China.

The neoliberals gave China an unparalleled opportunity to rise against the US. It's not just about alliances, one must also factor in economics.

Fortunately for China, Trump doesn't know much about economics either, and his tariffs have hurt American consumers more than the Chinese. Plus, the US withdrawal from the international scene means China can expand its markets even further.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:09 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Czechostan wrote:If China's backing Biden, that's a stupid move on their part. No one's done a better job at dismantling US alliances than Trump, clearing the path for China to get closer to Europe/"shithole countries." There's a reason Trump is nicknamed the "nation-builder" in China.


It's obviously a ploy.

China backs Biden to confuse people and rally them against Biden in support of Trump, specifically the people who don't care that Russia is backing him. It's black flag 101. And of course, Kex, Davincia and Fascism fell for it hook line and stinker, as do most people who supposedly don't support Trump but would rather him win than Biden. :roll:

The fact of the matter is... None of these countries should be having a fucking say in our elections, but Trump is letting them.

This would imply that Biden will pose any trouble for China once in office, and based on his prior experience, he will not. We have no reason to believe this is a false flag.
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Northern Davincia wrote:The neoliberals gave China an unparalleled opportunity to rise against the US. It's not just about alliances, one must also factor in economics.

Fortunately for China, Trump doesn't know much about economics either, and his tariffs have hurt American consumers more than the Chinese. Plus, the US withdrawal from the international scene means China can expand its markets even further.

Hurting American consumers more doesn't mean Chinese consumers aren't being hurt at all. Biden is likely to lower tariffs and make half-hearted attempts at isolating China.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:12 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It's obviously a ploy.

China backs Biden to confuse people and rally them against Biden in support of Trump, specifically the people who don't care that Russia is backing him. It's black flag 101. And of course, Kex, Davincia and Fascism fell for it hook line and stinker, as do most people who supposedly don't support Trump but would rather him win than Biden. :roll:

The fact of the matter is... None of these countries should be having a fucking say in our elections, but Trump is letting them.

This would imply that Biden will pose any trouble for China once in office, and based on his prior experience, he will not. We have no reason to believe this is a false flag.
Czechostan wrote:Fortunately for China, Trump doesn't know much about economics either, and his tariffs have hurt American consumers more than the Chinese. Plus, the US withdrawal from the international scene means China can expand its markets even further.

Hurting American consumers more doesn't mean Chinese consumers aren't being hurt at all. Biden is likely to lower tariffs and make half-hearted attempts at isolating China.


Oh yeah because Trump has been so fucking effective against China.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:15 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This would imply that Biden will pose any trouble for China once in office, and based on his prior experience, he will not. We have no reason to believe this is a false flag.

Hurting American consumers more doesn't mean Chinese consumers aren't being hurt at all. Biden is likely to lower tariffs and make half-hearted attempts at isolating China.


Oh yeah because Trump has been so fucking effective against China.

One doesn't need to be effective to be a nuisance. Tell me, do you think that Biden will be a worthy foe against China?
If so, why didn't he push against them as a senator or as VP?
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:18 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Oh yeah because Trump has been so fucking effective against China.

One doesn't need to be effective to be a nuisance. Tell me, do you think that Biden will be a worthy foe against China?
If so, why didn't he push against them as a senator or as VP?


Nice contradiction. So we have an ineffective nuisance in the White House. So epic. Alexa, can we throw 170,000 MAGA hats into the ocean in commemoration?

If only he was a nuisance ONLY to China instead of A DISEASE TO HUMANITY AS A WHOLE.

I don't give a shit. Whatever plan he has is better than what Trump is doing right now and it doesn't mean torching the US and turning it into the same corporate shit-hole China is in order to compete.

Stop comparing the US to China. We don't want to be more like China.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:31 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:One doesn't need to be effective to be a nuisance. Tell me, do you think that Biden will be a worthy foe against China?
If so, why didn't he push against them as a senator or as VP?


Nice contradiction. So we have an ineffective nuisance in the White House.

If only he was a nuisance ONLY to China instead of HUMANITY AS A WHOLE.

I don't give a shit. Whatever plan he has is better than what Trump is doing right now and it doesn't mean torching the US and turning it into the same corporate shit-hole China is in order to compete.

Stop comparing the US to China. We don't want to be more like China.

I recommend caution in saying Biden's plan will be better. For most of his career, he did nothing, and so we can expect him to continue doing nothing against China.
What comparison have I made between the US and China, anyways? What does Trump's domestic policy have to do with foreign policy?
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