According to the US Government, yes. The Census Bureau defines southern as Delware, West Virginia, Virginia, the Carolinas, Kentucky, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas, and Oklahoma.
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by Jedi Council » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:51 pm
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by Dresderstan » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:52 pm
by Jedi Council » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:57 pm
Dresderstan wrote:Jedi Council wrote:Delaware, however, you know the state he lives in and represented for almost four decades in the Senate, is a southern state.
He may have represented Delaware as a Senator, but it's not technically Southern, no one calls it a Southern state, and anyone who knows about Biden would know he was originally from Scranton before moving to Delaware. No one cares what the U.S. Census Bureau says they are wrong.
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by Dresderstan » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:01 pm
Jedi Council wrote:Dresderstan wrote:He may have represented Delaware as a Senator, but it's not technically Southern, no one calls it a Southern state, and anyone who knows about Biden would know he was originally from Scranton before moving to Delaware. No one cares what the U.S. Census Bureau says they are wrong.
Well it technically is a southern state, given that the US Government claims it is such.
Again, it might not be southern in popular conception, but that does not mean it isn't southern. Popular conception does not override official designation.
Why would Maryland be southern if Delware is not? The only argument there is the Mason-Dixon line, which is a little silly given that while the line supposedly shows the border between the free North and slave state South, Delaware was a slave state, alongside Maryland, until the Civil War.
Again, in terms of politics, and culture, it might be much more say "mid atlantic" than truly southern, but you could make the same argument about Maryland, DC, and parts of Virginia.
by Jedi Council » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:08 pm
Dresderstan wrote:Jedi Council wrote:
Well it technically is a southern state, given that the US Government claims it is such.
Again, it might not be southern in popular conception, but that does not mean it isn't southern. Popular conception does not override official designation.
Why would Maryland be southern if Delware is not? The only argument there is the Mason-Dixon line, which is a little silly given that while the line supposedly shows the border between the free North and slave state South, Delaware was a slave state, alongside Maryland, until the Civil War.
Again, in terms of politics, and culture, it might be much more say "mid atlantic" than truly southern, but you could make the same argument about Maryland, DC, and parts of Virginia.
Well technically they're wrong, it's a mid-Atlantic state along with Maryland.
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by Dresderstan » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:12 pm
Jedi Council wrote:Dresderstan wrote:Well technically they're wrong, it's a mid-Atlantic state along with Maryland.
That's not how the word technically works but I digress.
If we were going based on how actual Southerners felt about the South, as it appears most people would rather do, FiveThirtyEight actually did a piece on this which shows just how silly some peoples geographic conceptions are.
43% believed Texas was not a Southern State, while only around 50% said that Virginia, Kentucky, and fucking Arkansas were southern.
That's just mental.
So I would much rather rely on the factually definitions used by the US government in policy making, and census taking, rather than the entirely nebulous concepts of shared culture and popular conception.
by Jedi Council » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:14 pm
Dresderstan wrote:Jedi Council wrote:That's not how the word technically works but I digress.
If we were going based on how actual Southerners felt about the South, as it appears most people would rather do, FiveThirtyEight actually did a piece on this which shows just how silly some peoples geographic conceptions are.
43% believed Texas was not a Southern State, while only around 50% said that Virginia, Kentucky, and fucking Arkansas were southern.
That's just mental.
So I would much rather rely on the factually definitions used by the US government in policy making, and census taking, rather than the entirely nebulous concepts of shared culture and popular conception.
And I'd rather not trust the government on their dodgy definitions of a lot of shit, Maryland and Delaware are not Southern states, and the concept of shared culture and popular conception should matter more in this case than whatever BS the government thinks.
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by Thermodolia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:17 pm
Jedi Council wrote:Cisairse wrote:Your link doesn't work. Delaware is definitely not southern, geographically or otherwise.
Try this one.
The US Census Bureau considers Delaware to be a southern state.
It may not be "southern" in the cultural or political sense, but it is, geographically, southern.
by Valrifell » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:18 pm
Jedi Council wrote:Aureumterra wrote:Delaware is a geographically southern state?
According to the US Government, yes. The Census Bureau defines southern as Delware, West Virginia, Virginia, the Carolinas, Kentucky, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas, and Oklahoma.
by Thermodolia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:19 pm
Jedi Council wrote:Cisairse wrote:Well, the U.S. Census Bureau is wrong.
According to?
I dont think individuals get to decide these things.
You could certainly say that it's not part of the "Deep South" since that usually refers to those states south of the Carolinas, or if you prefer, you could argue that the true south is only those states that make up the Confederacy, which leaves out Delware and Maryland.
Curiously, if one considers Maryland to be a Southern state, then it's hard to discount Delware as one too. Both are in the same geographic area, both were slave states that voted to remain in the Union.
by Cisairse » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:21 pm
Jedi Council wrote:Dresderstan wrote:And I'd rather not trust the government on their dodgy definitions of a lot of shit, Maryland and Delaware are not Southern states, and the concept of shared culture and popular conception should matter more in this case than whatever BS the government thinks.
By that logic though half the population of the south thinks that Arkansas is not Southern.
So not even southerners can really agree on what constitutes southern.
by Thermodolia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:22 pm
Jedi Council wrote:Dresderstan wrote:And I'd rather not trust the government on their dodgy definitions of a lot of shit, Maryland and Delaware are not Southern states, and the concept of shared culture and popular conception should matter more in this case than whatever BS the government thinks.
By that logic though half the population of the south thinks that Arkansas is not Southern.
So not even southerners can really agree on what constitutes southern.
by Valrifell » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:23 pm
by Thermodolia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:31 pm
Valrifell wrote:Look, the South starts at the Mason-Dixon Line, then follows the Ohio River Basin to the Mississippi, where we'll count states on either side of that boundary as to include Arkansas and Louisiana.
Texas is kind of its own geographic region, Oklahoma is a prairie/plains state and so is Missouri. Glad we got that sorted.
by Outer Sparta » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:43 pm
Valrifell wrote:Look, the South starts at the Mason-Dixon Line, then follows the Ohio River Basin to the Mississippi, where we'll count states on either side of that boundary as to include Arkansas and Louisiana.
Texas is kind of its own geographic region, Oklahoma is a prairie/plains state and so is Missouri. Glad we got that sorted.
by Zurkerx » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:58 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Zurkerx wrote:
I mean, Biden does venture out, he just doesn't campaign around the entire country. But I seriously doubt he goes that far-left. I will warn you though: I wouldn't underestimate Biden. He excels at one-on-one debates.
Trump is a well-defined figure: almost everyone has an opinion of him; as does Biden to a lesser extent. This leaves fewer undecided/third party voters, especially in an election that matters this year. We also need to take into account that polling has adjusted and thus is more accurate than 2016. Biden's stable lead, which averages 8 points, should be concerning for the Trump Campaign: they do better with volatility.
I wasn’t comparing it to 2016, but elections in general. Even in other elections that involve incumbents and established figures there is more give and take during the election cycle. I don’t think it’s that we know these two as much as Trump has hardened the lines. He has forced a situation where there really is no fence to sit on. You’re either down with the disturbing shit or you’re not.
by Cisairse » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:58 pm
by Aureumterra » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:01 pm
No State Here wrote:Hey it’s August! Time to start stocking up on popcorn to watch the debates.
This year it’s possibly the most entertaining one yet, one one hand we have an old white possible rapist with dementia and on the other hand… an old white possible rapist with dementia!
by Neutraligon » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:01 pm
Cisairse wrote:Jedi Council wrote:Whatever universe the United States Census Bureau lives in.
It is southern geographically, though, much like Maryland, is not often remembered as such.
Your link doesn't work. Delaware is definitely not southern, geographically or otherwise.
by Cisairse » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:10 pm
by United States of Devonta » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:13 pm
Cisairse wrote:Based on this week's polling, I've put together what I believe the electoral map would look like if the election were held today.
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Florida, Texas, and Georga have either inconsistent polling or, in Florida's case, have actually polled as a perfect tie. The most interesting point here is that Ohio has moved from a decently solid red state straight into Biden's column: Despite polling as high as Trump +8 only a week ago, every single poll taken in August has shown Biden leading, including the Zogby poll released today.
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by Shrillland » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:16 pm
United States of Devonta wrote:Cisairse wrote:Based on this week's polling, I've put together what I believe the electoral map would look like if the election were held today.
(Image)
Florida, Texas, and Georga have either inconsistent polling or, in Florida's case, have actually polled as a perfect tie. The most interesting point here is that Ohio has moved from a decently solid red state straight into Biden's column: Despite polling as high as Trump +8 only a week ago, every single poll taken in August has shown Biden leading, including the Zogby poll released today.
Hey, no toss-ups!! Cop out!
by United States of Devonta » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:16 pm
Zurkerx wrote:Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak. But she did lead by more in certain key states.
The States Clinton led by wider margins at this point include Michigan, PA, and WI. However, she never garnished around 50% and the reason for these smaller margins are because pollsters likely adjusted to accommodate Trump's base. Overall, Biden is better positioned to win 270+ currently than Clinton was at this point though we should note that things can change now and November.
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by United States of Devonta » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:17 pm
Shrillland wrote:United States of Devonta wrote:
Hey, no toss-ups!! Cop out!
At the moment, I would put both Georgia and Florida into Biden's count and Texas into Trump's(as close as it is, I don't yet think this is the year for Texas to flip). That's still a respectable 369-169 for Biden...if Trump doesn't decide to commit national suicide.
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by Cisairse » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:18 pm
United States of Devonta wrote:Cisairse wrote:Based on this week's polling, I've put together what I believe the electoral map would look like if the election were held today.
(Image)
Florida, Texas, and Georga have either inconsistent polling or, in Florida's case, have actually polled as a perfect tie. The most interesting point here is that Ohio has moved from a decently solid red state straight into Biden's column: Despite polling as high as Trump +8 only a week ago, every single poll taken in August has shown Biden leading, including the Zogby poll released today.
Hey, no toss-ups!! Cop out!
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