2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Solvokina]

True communism isn't stateless. It's completely centralised with a strong government which provides to the people without a market

Communism is stateless, the states you're describing are states that pretend to be assisting in the transition to communism.

I'd rather not starve under an AnCom state. Soon enough a decentralised communist state will be centralised by a person who is stronger or in this case who has the strongest military to unite the land by force under his own thumb

[Cekoviu]

my understanding is that the typical goal of marxist communism is for the state to "wither away" once an environment has been fostered in which the workers can own the means of production and a power vacuum will not form such that counterrevolutionary forces can take power. i personally find that to be a fundamentally flawed and unrealistic viewpoint, but that is the generally understood definition of communism and has historically been the proclaimed goal of most socialist regimes, so this claim is a bit odd to me

I'm aware but it will not work in that manner. You either have a strong government, or you get fucked

i agree, i just dont think it's fair to call something that is not actual communism "true communism" because it's the closest feasible thing
really we just have a semantic disagreement here

[Solvokina]

I'm aware but it will not work in that manner. You either have a strong government, or you get fucked

i agree, i just dont think it's fair to call something that is not actual communism "true communism" because it's the closest feasible thing
really we just have a semantic disagreement here

Sure

[Aureumterra]

Biden plans to undo all of Trump's anti Cuban regime policies, if he becomes President, he plans to follow Obama's policies on Cuba. You can vote for Joe Biden without holding your nose, since he supports pro Cuban regime policies you support. For this and many other republican reasons I support President Trump and hope Biden does not win.

the reason i dont support biden has little to nothing to do with cuba, so whether he supports it or not would not greatly affect my reluctance to vote for him - my serious problems with biden are, in order from most to least important:
- he has sexually assaulted women
- he has explicitly stated that he will veto a universal healthcare bill
- he may have dementia
- he does not express any interest in establishing socialism in the united states
- he is yet another old white man in a long chain of old white men

Just sayin,’ being "too woke for Biden" is hurting your side more than helping it

Not that I’m complaining, I would love more right wing judges and legislation over the next four years

[Valrifell]

the reason i dont support biden has little to nothing to do with cuba, so whether he supports it or not would not greatly affect my reluctance to vote for him - my serious problems with biden are, in order from most to least important:
- he has sexually assaulted women
- he has explicitly stated that he will veto a universal healthcare bill
- he may have dementia
- he does not express any interest in establishing socialism in the united states
- he is yet another old white man in a long chain of old white men

Just sayin,’ being "too woke for Biden" is hurting your side more than helping it

Not that I’m complaining, I would love more right wing judges and legislation over the next four years

Now why would you want to gloat at people to get them to vote against your interests? Are you a deep-cover Soviet agent?

[United States of Devonta]

Incumbent Representative Sharice Davids (D-KS) wins her primary in KS-03.

She was one of the two native american women elected in 2018. She also is an open-lesbian and former MMA fighter.

[Cekoviu]

the reason i dont support biden has little to nothing to do with cuba, so whether he supports it or not would not greatly affect my reluctance to vote for him - my serious problems with biden are, in order from most to least important:
- he has sexually assaulted women
- he has explicitly stated that he will veto a universal healthcare bill
- he may have dementia
- he does not express any interest in establishing socialism in the united states
- he is yet another old white man in a long chain of old white men

Just sayin,’ being "too woke for Biden" is hurting your side more than helping it

Not that I’m complaining, I would love more right wing judges and legislation over the next four years

i don't care
if someone's so petty and stupid that they'll get pissed over people wanting more diversity in government to represent the populace, then i don't want them on my side tbh

[Aureumterra]

Just sayin,’ being "too woke for Biden" is hurting your side more than helping it

Not that I’m complaining, I would love more right wing judges and legislation over the next four years

Now why would you want to gloat at people to get them to vote against your interests? Are you a deep-cover Soviet agent?

I’m not even American, as such, the outcome of the US election doesn’t impact me much

[Shrillland]

Now for the first calls of the night:

GOP MO-Governor: Mike Parson
Dem MO-Governor: Nicole Galloway
GOP MO-3(Jefferson City-St. Charles): Blaine Luetkemeyer

[Cekoviu]

Now why would you want to gloat at people to get them to vote against your interests? Are you a deep-cover Soviet agent?

I’m not even American, as such, the outcome of the US election doesn’t impact me much

ya cus ur Iślandic :^)

[Aureumterra]

I’m not even American, as such, the outcome of the US election doesn’t impact me much

ya cus ur Iślandic :^)

Embarrassing typo I know

That was years ago tho

[Cekoviu]

ya cus ur Iślandic :^)

Embarrassing typo I know

That was years ago tho

i'm like an elephant in many ways, one being that i never forget :^)

[Thermodolia]

surprisingly good take from you.

I just want my Yugo restored

Based

[Alcala-Cordel]

Communism is stateless, the states you're describing are states that pretend to be assisting in the transition to communism.

I'd rather not starve under an AnCom state. Soon enough a decentralised communist state will be centralised by a person who is stronger or in this case who has the strongest military to unite the land by force under his own thumb

All communism is stateless, that's what it is.

[Valrifell]

Now why would you want to gloat at people to get them to vote against your interests? Are you a deep-cover Soviet agent?

I’m not even American, as such, the outcome of the US election doesn’t impact me much

I know that, you still said you would derive happiness from more right-wing (ew) in the United States, so why would you gloat about that and make people vote against your interests out of spite online?

Not like that randos online have their votes matter anyway. Besides, Cek lives in red state, so her vote is irrelevant.

[Thermodolia]

I'd rather not starve under an AnCom state. Soon enough a decentralised communist state will be centralised by a person who is stronger or in this case who has the strongest military to unite the land by force under his own thumb

All communism is stateless, that's what it is.

Which is why it will never happen

[Region of Dwipantara]

I'd rather not starve under an AnCom state. Soon enough a decentralised communist state will be centralised by a person who is stronger or in this case who has the strongest military to unite the land by force under his own thumb

All communism is stateless, that's what it is.

All stateless communism requires a massive state apparatus to indoctrinate people that communism is good, else they automatically turn into a chaotic and violent warlord system where people realize they will be better off securing power as a strongman and hoard resources. Human civilization collapsed into anarchic violence and looting and drugs/weapons industries skyrocketed and everything burns. But this is getting off topic.

[Thermodolia]

I’m not even American, as such, the outcome of the US election doesn’t impact me much

I know that, you still said you would derive happiness from more right-wing (ew) in the United States, so why would you gloat about that and make people vote against your interests out of spite online?

Not like that randos online have their votes matter anyway. Besides, Cek lives in red state, so her vote is irrelevant.

Ya there’s no way in hell utah is voting blue. If Utah somehow votes blue then we are looking at a 65-35 senate for the democrats

[Solvokina]

I'd rather not starve under an AnCom state. Soon enough a decentralised communist state will be centralised by a person who is stronger or in this case who has the strongest military to unite the land by force under his own thumb

All communism is stateless, that's what it is.

Hence why its a fairy tale

[Cekoviu]

I’m not even American, as such, the outcome of the US election doesn’t impact me much

I know that, you still said you would derive happiness from more right-wing (ew) in the United States, so why would you gloat about that and make people vote against your interests out of spite online?

Not like that randos online have their votes matter anyway. Besides, Cek lives in red state, so her vote is irrelevant.

;_;
actually 2020 is one of the closest races in utah since the turn of the century and biden has a small shot at winning. in may, trump was up by as little as 6 points with a not insignificant undecided/third party cohort. we lack recent polling but this is not likely to have significantly changed with trump continuing to bungle 'rona and with the recently divulged connection of trump jr. to a company with ties to a fraudulent polygamist sect...

[Cekoviu]

I know that, you still said you would derive happiness from more right-wing (ew) in the United States, so why would you gloat about that and make people vote against your interests out of spite online?

Not like that randos online have their votes matter anyway. Besides, Cek lives in red state, so her vote is irrelevant.

Ya there’s no way in hell utah is voting blue. If Utah somehow votes blue then we are looking at a 65-35 senate for the democrats

never say never - we have a lot of dead people and """"legal"""' immigrants :^]

[Thermodolia]

I know that, you still said you would derive happiness from more right-wing (ew) in the United States, so why would you gloat about that and make people vote against your interests out of spite online?

Not like that randos online have their votes matter anyway. Besides, Cek lives in red state, so her vote is irrelevant.

;_;
actually 2020 is one of the closest races in utah since the turn of the century and biden has a small shot at winning. in may, trump was up by as little as 6 points with a not insignificant undecided/third party cohort. we lack recent polling but this is not likely to have significantly changed with trump continuing to bungle 'rona and with the recently divulged connection of trump jr. to a company with ties to a fraudulent polygamist sect...

What?

[Cekoviu]

;_;
actually 2020 is one of the closest races in utah since the turn of the century and biden has a small shot at winning. in may, trump was up by as little as 6 points with a not insignificant undecided/third party cohort. we lack recent polling but this is not likely to have significantly changed with trump continuing to bungle 'rona and with the recently divulged connection of trump jr. to a company with ties to a fraudulent polygamist sect...

What?

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/20 ... jr-shoots/

[Cannot think of a name]

I know that, you still said you would derive happiness from more right-wing (ew) in the United States, so why would you gloat about that and make people vote against your interests out of spite online?

Not like that randos online have their votes matter anyway. Besides, Cek lives in red state, so her vote is irrelevant.

;_;
actually 2020 is one of the closest races in utah since the turn of the century and biden has a small shot at winning. in may, trump was up by as little as 6 points with a not insignificant undecided/third party cohort. we lack recent polling but this is not likely to have significantly changed with trump continuing to bungle 'rona and with the recently divulged connection of trump jr. to a company with ties to a fraudulent polygamist sect...

Oof.

Although last time we ran this fantasy that Utah might not vote Trump the idea was that they would go third party because as much as they hated Trump they still weren't keen on Democrats. Though I wonder if the lack of options will make the Mormon conservatives stay home and thus give that needed edge to fluke a flip.

It's not something I'm expecting to happen but if it does it will get a hardy "well, look at that."

[Cekoviu]

;_;
actually 2020 is one of the closest races in utah since the turn of the century and biden has a small shot at winning. in may, trump was up by as little as 6 points with a not insignificant undecided/third party cohort. we lack recent polling but this is not likely to have significantly changed with trump continuing to bungle 'rona and with the recently divulged connection of trump jr. to a company with ties to a fraudulent polygamist sect...

Oof.

Although last time we ran this fantasy that Utah might not vote Trump the idea was that they would go third party because as much as they hated Trump they still weren't keen on Democrats. Though I wonder if the lack of options will make the Mormon conservatives stay home and thus give that needed edge to fluke a flip.

It's not something I'm expecting to happen but if it does it will get a hardy "well, look at that."

yeah i mean we voted 25% for mcmullin last time; utahns clearly want conservatism, they just don't like trump's brand of it. however, biden may come across as more conservative than clinton.

i don't really think biden will win the state, but he does have a small chance and if there's enough voter enthusiasm it could flip; the issue is just that biden does not drum up voter enthusiasm here like, say, bernie