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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:55 pm

Gormwood wrote:
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Don't worry though, the Democrats who have failed to fix Reagan's mess and make America a better place are totally going to fix Trump's mess and make America a better place.

Absolutely nothing to do with Republican obstructionism whatsoever, so let's put the GOP back in power!

I love your post Gorm: let's put the GOP back in power!
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Postby Kannap » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:02 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Absolutely nothing to do with Republican obstructionism whatsoever, so let's put the GOP back in power!

I love your post Gorm: let's put the GOP back in power!


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Postby South Odreria 2 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:06 pm

Why not put the GOP front in power :?:
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Postby Kannap » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:08 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Why not put the GOP front in power :?:


or the GOP bottom *nods*
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:21 pm

Kannap wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Why not put the GOP front in power :?:


or the GOP bottom *nods*


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Postby South Odreria 2 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:08 pm

Lmao tom cotton called slavery a necessary evil
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:13 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Lmao tom cotton called slavery a necessary evil

He should do a duet with Kanye.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:14 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
You just don't like Beto. If beating a Republican in Texas is so easy, perhaps you should try it.

Beto was certainly the best candidate in 2018 and he could definitely go again in 2024.

Not after spending the 2020 primary hysterically ranting about "assault weapons."
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That would be quite an upset but also more likely Trump tries to dispute the results. Not that I think this outcome is likely: I do believe the likes of Wisconsin, Arizona, and Florida will go blue as well currently right now.

You could have made that map so much better if you had given all of Nebraska to Trump.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:15 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Lmao tom cotton called slavery a necessary evil

Oh the real Tom Cotton finally escaped from wherever he was being held.

That’s unfortunate.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:16 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Lmao tom cotton called slavery a necessary evil


Totally normal statement from a totally normal political party.

I'd put money on Cotton running in 2024, and make no mistake, he's far more dangerous than Trump.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:16 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Lmao tom cotton called slavery a necessary evil

TFW you try to combat the 1619 project but then agree with it.

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:26 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Lmao tom cotton called slavery a necessary evil

TFW you try to combat the 1619 project but then agree with it.

They definitely agree that shell oil has the right to massacre black people
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:22 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Lmao tom cotton called slavery a necessary evil


Totally normal statement from a totally normal political party.

I'd put money on Cotton running in 2024, and make no mistake, he's far more dangerous than Trump.

His statement was that the Founders called slavery a necessary evil, which is not entirely wrong.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:23 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Totally normal statement from a totally normal political party.

I'd put money on Cotton running in 2024, and make no mistake, he's far more dangerous than Trump.

His statement was that the Founders called slavery a necessary evil, which is not entirely wrong.

Well, it was more that the founders saw *allowing* slavery was a necessary evil to keep up the United front.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:25 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:His statement was that the Founders called slavery a necessary evil, which is not entirely wrong.

Well, it was more that the founders saw *allowing* slavery was a necessary evil to keep up the United front.

Yes, which is how Cotton should have phrased it, not that doing so would stop the media from skewing it to ridiculous ends.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:41 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Well, it was more that the founders saw *allowing* slavery was a necessary evil to keep up the United front.

Yes, which is how Cotton should have phrased it, not that doing so would stop the media from skewing it to ridiculous ends.


Oh he knew what he was saying. I read a couple articles where he said the 1619 project was liberal propaganda which takes away from the birth of the nation in 1776.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:44 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Yes, which is how Cotton should have phrased it, not that doing so would stop the media from skewing it to ridiculous ends.


Oh he knew what he was saying. I read a couple articles where he said the 1619 project was liberal propaganda which takes away from the birth of the nation in 1776.

That is, more or less, the goal of the 1619 Project.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:44 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh he knew what he was saying. I read a couple articles where he said the 1619 project was liberal propaganda which takes away from the birth of the nation in 1776.

That is, more or less, the goal of the 1619 Project.


How?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:05 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:That is, more or less, the goal of the 1619 Project.


How?

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/the-1619-p ... ytimes.php
Hannah-Jones wanted to dedicate an issue to this underappreciated anniversary and challenge the notion that American history begins with victory in 1776. The staff quickly got on board, she told guests at the event, and the project grew. The goal, Silverstein writes in his editor’s note, is to consider what it would mean to shift our perception of America’s birth to the year 1619.
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Postby Mirjt » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:08 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh he knew what he was saying. I read a couple articles where he said the 1619 project was liberal propaganda which takes away from the birth of the nation in 1776.

That is, more or less, the goal of the 1619 Project.


1. The 1619 project is run by the neo-liberal New York Times, and its goal is to look back on the history of slavery and re-examine the legacy of slavery in history and in contemporary times.

2. How does looking at a difference aspect of history and its modern day impacts, take away from other historical events during revolutionary colonial U.S.?

3. This is a little nitpicky, but I am so tired of people using the word propaganda wrong. Propaganda is any piece of media that is meant to influence your political or philosophical ideology and to take political or social action, it uses the manipulative tactics of marketing, but it can be true, it can be false, it can be a form of indoctrination, it can be public service announcements, it can be public education, etc...
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:17 pm

Mirjt wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:That is, more or less, the goal of the 1619 Project.


1. The 1619 project is run by the neo-liberal New York Times, and its goal is to look back on the history of slavery and re-examine the legacy of slavery in history and in contemporary times.

2. How does looking at a difference aspect of history and its modern day impacts, take away from other historical events during revolutionary colonial U.S.?

3. This is a little nitpicky, but I am so tired of people using the word propaganda wrong. Propaganda is any piece of media that is meant to influence your political or philosophical ideology and to take political or social action, it uses the manipulative tactics of marketing, but it can be true, it can be false, it can be a form of indoctrination, it can be public service announcements, it can be public education, etc...


I have not read the full plan yet. I think a review of slavery is a good idea. When I was in grade school; learning this stuf. The talk was all about well for a lack of a better description was the white people and oh yea there was some slaves. Jefferson suggested we should free them and retreated as the slave states wouldn’t have supported the revolution, etc., etc., Of course it’s greatly simplified. The problem is we don’t accept the fact it was wrong. We hide behind nice phrases like necessary evil and it was the times.

In order to move past slavery; we need to fully understand it and the history around it.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:17 pm

Mirjt wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:That is, more or less, the goal of the 1619 Project.


1. The 1619 project is run by the neo-liberal New York Times, and its goal is to look back on the history of slavery and re-examine the legacy of slavery in history and in contemporary times.

2. How does looking at a difference aspect of history and its modern day impacts, take away from other historical events during revolutionary colonial U.S.?

3. This is a little nitpicky, but I am so tired of people using the word propaganda wrong. Propaganda is any piece of media that is meant to influence your political or philosophical ideology and to take political or social action, it uses the manipulative tactics of marketing, but it can be true, it can be false, it can be a form of indoctrination, it can be public service announcements, it can be public education, etc...

As I put in my previous post, the project is to set back America's founding date to when the first slave ships arrived. Looking at different aspects of history and their modern consequences is what historians do all the time, but to argue that 1776 is not the country's first year is simply wrong. By shifting the date and tying America's founding with slavery, the result is obviously condemning the nation as inherently based upon slavery and making racial conflict a permanent feature.
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Postby Blargoblarg » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:21 pm

Kannap wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:True


Don't worry though, the Democrats who have failed to fix Reagan's mess and make America a better place are totally going to fix Trump's mess and make America a better place.

The Republicans move the overton window to the right, and the Democrats block any efforts to move it back to the left.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:30 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Don't worry though, the Democrats who have failed to fix Reagan's mess and make America a better place are totally going to fix Trump's mess and make America a better place.

The Republicans move the overton window to the right, and the Democrats block any efforts to move it back to the left.
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Eh, I don't think that explains cultural shifts in the two parties. That might be true on the establishment level, however.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:40 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:The Republicans move the overton window to the right, and the Democrats block any efforts to move it back to the left.
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Eh, I don't think that explains cultural shifts in the two parties. That might be true on the establishment level, however.

Cultural shifts can be explained by the psychosis factor: if you are an American you are most likely dangerously insane.
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