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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:50 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
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Technically, Kim's first name would be Jong-un.

His first name is Kim. You may be thinking of his given name, which is Jong-un.


You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.
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Postby Kannap » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:55 pm

Growing more convinced Biden will win, but I'm still not going to vote for him.
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:57 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Shofercia wrote:For all of the recent John Bolton fanboys:

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How does this impact-font image macro reduce the reliability of Bolton as a witness?


Should someone who left Trump primarily because Trump doesn't hurt enough brown people be rewarded for his actions? I don't think so.


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Cisairse wrote:How does this impact-font image macro reduce the reliability of Bolton as a witness?

Gormwood wrote:It's poisoning an already tainted well. Kind of like attacking the character of a mob prosecution witness, which Bolton practically is at this point.

Not to mention trying to imply people are suddenly Bolton groupies because he's dishing dirt on Trump.


Oh, is that all Bolton is? So then you won't mind saying "NO" to future war with Iran loud and proud, would you Gormwood? After all, if he's just an innocent witness, and not at all doing this for his warmongering ideas that he wants to enact in the future, you'd have no issues saying that War with Iran would be catastrophic, and warmongering's very wrong. So c'mon Gormwood, say it, loud and proud: "warmongering without a purpose is wrong!" After all, it's part of what Obama ran on in 2008, and part of what Trump ran on in 2016. When Bolton can't win at the ballot box, he tries to cast actual winners as mobsters, for which Gormwood and others hail him as a poor, poor, mob prosecution witness.


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Shofercia wrote:For all of the recent John Bolton fanboys:

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He's your guy. We're not 'fanboys' of him because you guys started infighting. We're just enjoying the fight.


Bolton was never my guy. And I didn't vote for Trump. But once again, Bolton was never my guy. And if Trump was to give him enough actual power to implement his disastrous anti-Iranian campaign, I'd criticize Trump for that without hesitation. So let me repeat, so it sinks in for ya: Bolton was never my guy. Trump U was never my university.


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Cannot think of a name wrote:He's your guy. We're not 'fanboys' of him because you guys started infighting. We're just enjoying the fight.


And what Bolton is saying about DJT is pretty much what everyone else who left the administration is saying, which basically is that DJT is a huge manbaby who thinks he's the expert on everything and doesn't listen to anyone whose name isn't Kim.


So is that what Sean Spicer's saying? Yes, yes, we get it, "Orange Man Bad" but you know what's really, really, really, actually, bad? Iraq War. That's very bad. Killed over one hundred thousand innocent Iraqi civilians, women and children, sent thousands of Americans home with PTSD, stole money that could've gone to education reform, what a rotten, rotten, rotten war. Hmm, I wonder who the architect was? Oh yeah, John Bolton.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:01 pm

Kannap wrote:Growing more convinced Biden will win, but I'm still not going to vote for him.


I think it's looking likely his odds are better than Clinton's, whatever that means.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:02 pm

Whatever happens I am going to laugh at people as the results come in.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:04 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Whatever happens I am going to laugh at people as the results come in.


Wow, okay, rude.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:08 pm

Bruuhhhh Trump called Juan Guaido “the Beto O’Rourke of Venezuela.”

Also McGrath has -35 favorability in Kentucky.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:52 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:How does this impact-font image macro reduce the reliability of Bolton as a witness?


Should someone who left Trump primarily because Trump doesn't hurt enough brown people be rewarded for his actions? I don't think so.

Who's "rewarding" Bolton here? We can discuss his claims without paying for his book.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:53 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Bruuhhhh Trump called Juan Guaido “the Beto O’Rourke of Venezuela.”

Also McGrath has -35 favorability in Kentucky.

Ouch. Is Booker any higher?

South Odreria 2 wrote:Whatever happens I am going to laugh at people as the results come in.

Same.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:59 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
If it's "anyone who got 2016 wrong is stupid" I'll scream, I swear.


Yeah. Going into the election Nate had it 75% Clinton 25% Trump. The one in four chance just happened to be what happened.

You literally can't be proven wrong when you give odds. Whichever way it goes, you were at least part right!

It's way closer to the truth than what others predicted, to the point people were shitting on him for having his odd for Trump too high.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:10 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Bruuhhhh Trump called Juan Guaido “the Beto O’Rourke of Venezuela.”

Also McGrath has -35 favorability in Kentucky.

*Marco Rubio enters the chat*
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:15 pm

Cisairse wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Bruuhhhh Trump called Juan Guaido “the Beto O’Rourke of Venezuela.”

Also McGrath has -35 favorability in Kentucky.

Ouch. Is Booker any higher?

South Odreria 2 wrote:Whatever happens I am going to laugh at people as the results come in.

Same.

Booker is at +3
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:17 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Ouch. Is Booker any higher?


Same.

Booker is at +3

Is that at a similar level of Undecided? Like, are Booker and McGrath roughly as well-known with Booker being more liked?
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:11 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Should someone who left Trump primarily because Trump doesn't hurt enough brown people be rewarded for his actions? I don't think so.

Who's "rewarding" Bolton here? We can discuss his claims without paying for his book.


We can, but quite a few people can't, and will rush to reward him by buying his book, partly because "Orange Man Bad!"


Outer Sparta wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Bruuhhhh Trump called Juan Guaido “the Beto O’Rourke of Venezuela.”

Also McGrath has -35 favorability in Kentucky.

*Marco Rubio enters the chat*


Marco Rubio ain't the AR-15 Salesman of the Year. Oh Beto, you will be missed. Your campaign antics, hilarious, benign, and completely inept, had me laughing quite a bit. All you had to do was to not talk about guns, and you'd be a lighthearted meme, rather than a mocked one.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:23 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Who's "rewarding" Bolton here? We can discuss his claims without paying for his book.


We can, but quite a few people can't, and will rush to reward him by buying his book, partly because "Orange Man Bad!"


Outer Sparta wrote:*Marco Rubio enters the chat*


Marco Rubio ain't the AR-15 Salesman of the Year. Oh Beto, you will be missed. Your campaign antics, hilarious, benign, and completely inept, had me laughing quite a bit. All you had to do was to not talk about guns, and you'd be a lighthearted meme, rather than a mocked one.

Marco Rubio plays the Venezuela hawk role very well.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:30 pm


Good. She would not have been a good pick for many reasons.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:37 pm


Now if only Harris had that much self awareness.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:38 pm

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Virginia Congressman Denver Riggleman who lost renomination at a recent district convention is considering a third party bid or possibly legal action. He claims the manner in which the convention was held disenfranchised delegates

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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:59 pm



She went on to say Biden should pick a woman of color, which appears almost a 100% guarantee; only Warren has a shot at this point.

I'm a bit surprised though the writing was on the wall for her: if her past wasn't that troubling and she had broad appeal, she would have been selected easily. Now, 15 years ago, she would have been easily picked but times have changed.

Gormwood wrote:

Now if only Harris had that much self awareness.


I agree but at this point, given what's been transpiring with Trump, I'll be voting for Biden, regardless of who he picks.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:30 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Whatever happens I am going to laugh at people as the results come in.

Ey same

We either get a leftist meltdown part 2, or a Trumpster meltdown, both are equally entertaining
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:30 pm

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Cisairse wrote:lol Nate Silver never said that

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Postby No State Here » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:32 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Now if only Harris had that much self awareness.


I agree but at this point, given what's been transpiring with Trump, I'll be voting for Biden, regardless of who he picks.

Transpiring? Are you talking about the Bolton book?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:40 pm

Zurkerx wrote:


She went on to say Biden should pick a woman of color, which appears almost a 100% guarantee; only Warren has a shot at this point.

I'm a bit surprised though the writing was on the wall for her: if her past wasn't that troubling and she had broad appeal, she would have been selected easily. Now, 15 years ago, she would have been easily picked but times have changed.

Gormwood wrote:Now if only Harris had that much self awareness.


I agree but at this point, given what's been transpiring with Trump, I'll be voting for Biden, regardless of who he picks.

Picking black woman is a very good choice politically and strategically. It could drive up black turnout to 2008 levels or possibly higher

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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
She went on to say Biden should pick a woman of color, which appears almost a 100% guarantee; only Warren has a shot at this point.

I'm a bit surprised though the writing was on the wall for her: if her past wasn't that troubling and she had broad appeal, she would have been selected easily. Now, 15 years ago, she would have been easily picked but times have changed.



I agree but at this point, given what's been transpiring with Trump, I'll be voting for Biden, regardless of who he picks.

Picking black woman is a very good choice politically and strategically. It could drive up black turnout to 2008 levels or possibly higher

It's a shame that tokenism has to be done so blatantly.
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