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by Genivaria » Wed May 27, 2020 7:29 pm
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by Luziyca » Wed May 27, 2020 7:50 pm
Katganistan wrote:Amusing (to me) story:
I had called home because one of my students was using his cellphone to watch basketball in class repeatedly, and spoke with mom, who was not amused.
A week later, dad comes up with kid for Parent-Teacher conferences and tells me flat out, "My son says he did not do it, and I believe my son." Reasonable questions like, "What possible motive would I have in telling you a lie?" did not budge dad. Kid looked pretty smug.
Literally, the next day, we are watching _Macbeth_ in class, and the only way to be able to see anything on the Smartboard was to turn off all the lights. Cell phones are REALLY bright in dark rooms and who had theirs out?
Quietly, I pulled mine out. Because I am pretty nerdy and not a "stealth" photographer, I'd left the default sound the phone made (the shutter sound) when I took a picture with it. Students sitting around him watched me get up from my desk, and walk right up to him. He was so engrossed in watching videos that he never saw me or realized I was standing over him until...... CLICK-WHIIIIIIRR!
He looks up in panic, "Oh shit."
And I said, "Uh-huh," went to my records, got dad's phone number and sent the picture of his son on the phone in class to him then and there.
Son did not have a phone for the rest of the semester. I'm convinced it was at least partly because he made his dad look like a jackass for defending him.
by Dylar » Wed May 27, 2020 7:50 pm
The Great-German Empire wrote:They definitely should. Some parents would like to check up on them, especially if they don't go home after school immediately.
And even if the only rule you're pushing for is "no phones visible" I'm still not sure that's such a good idea. I mean, exchanging memes during break *is* a form of socialization, and some students might want to keep up with various forms of news. Regarding your argument about Snapchat, this is just one of those "enforce, don't prevent" things: Yes, it's a problem when people's (and especially minors') privacy is violated, but nobody usually dies from it. Just make it a rule that having somebody in a photo without their consent is prohibited, and there you go.
One thing I will say about school policies in general is that at least for Junior High and up, enforcing a mentality of "You are the teacher's full subordinate from the moment you walk in and until you walk out the school doors" is demeaning and detrimental, and only encourages students to be confrontational. You're not going to teach them to obey, period, so why pretend? In fact, a schoolkid's teenage years should at least start preparing them for the real world, and in the real world you have rights - so it doesn't make sense to have them be dead to rights in school.
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by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed May 27, 2020 11:54 pm
Dylar wrote:The Great-German Empire wrote:They definitely should. Some parents would like to check up on them, especially if they don't go home after school immediately.
And even if the only rule you're pushing for is "no phones visible" I'm still not sure that's such a good idea. I mean, exchanging memes during break *is* a form of socialization, and some students might want to keep up with various forms of news. Regarding your argument about Snapchat, this is just one of those "enforce, don't prevent" things: Yes, it's a problem when people's (and especially minors') privacy is violated, but nobody usually dies from it. Just make it a rule that having somebody in a photo without their consent is prohibited, and there you go.
One thing I will say about school policies in general is that at least for Junior High and up, enforcing a mentality of "You are the teacher's full subordinate from the moment you walk in and until you walk out the school doors" is demeaning and detrimental, and only encourages students to be confrontational. You're not going to teach them to obey, period, so why pretend? In fact, a schoolkid's teenage years should at least start preparing them for the real world, and in the real world you have rights - so it doesn't make sense to have them be dead to rights in school.
If anything phone prohibitions do prepare students for the real world. I've worked in places that would give you a formal write-up for pulling out your phone just to check the time during working hours. Not saying every workplace does that, of course. And enforcing a mentality of subordination also prepares them for the workplace. Although there could be better ways to go about it.
by Loben The 2nd » Thu May 28, 2020 5:13 am
by Agarntrop » Thu May 28, 2020 5:18 am
Genivaria wrote:Define 'use'.
Have them on their person? Yes.
Have them out while simply in the building? Yes.
Have them out during class time? No.
My High School had an idiotic policy that wrote up anyone who had their phone out AT ALL. You could be eating lunch with your phone out and someone would come up and snatch it from you, seriously fuck off.
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