Polyamorous relationships, are they damaging to society?

[Celritannia]

To repost what I said on RWDT about this; I know from personal experience that people can be tricked into such relationships at a time of emotional vulnerability - people make out that they're interested in a relationship and then once you've gone far enough to get invested they drop in that lol you have to share. Similarly if normalised you have cheaters trying the "muh identity, stop oppressing me!" line to gaslight people. I have seen several such relationships where the people involved plainly shouldn't have been in them. They also tend to destruct very explosively, and because of the "web" loads of people get dragged into it.

It should not get formal recognition. Normalising it would facilitate too much exploitation and abuse. The existing situation where it is marginal and not widely recognised is sufficient - there are social costs to adopting such forms so those who stick to it nevertheless will generally only be those very invested in it. Society needs to accept that there are exceptions to the normal ways of doing things, but they need to remain exceptions.

That's reasonable.

[Grenartia]

So...bullshit someone pulled out of their ass.

"I don't like it when studies show polygamy is bad"

Prove they're valid studies.

[US-SSR]

[citation needed]

https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120124093142.htm

Both having to do with men taking multiple wives, not at all applicable to the topic of polyamorus relationships. I repeat: [citation needed].

[Celritannia]

"Polyamory bad for society and should be illegal". Highly ironic words to come out of the mouth of a transgender person. You, of all people, should be familiar with social hangups about certain things being total bullshit.

The thing is, polyamory is bad for society and transgenderism isn't

Little evidence to suggest it is.

[Grenartia]

"Polyamory bad for society and should be illegal". Highly ironic words to come out of the mouth of a transgender person. You, of all people, should be familiar with social hangups about certain things being total bullshit.

The thing is, polyamory is bad for society

Unproven bullshit is unproven.

and transgenderism isn't

And yet, many people (mistakenly) think it is. Polyamory is no different in that regard. A harmless thing that a lot of entirely misinformed people condemn because of totally bullshit reasoning.

[Nap the Magnificent]

https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120124093142.htm

Both having to do with men taking multiple wives, not at all applicable to the topic of polyamorus relationships. I repeat: [citation needed].

I was addressing the polygamy part in GVH's post, which I thought was obvious because a four year old could tell that was the point I was addressing by me saying "Polygamy is bad".

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Polyam relationships are fine.

[Nap the Magnificent]

"I don't like it when studies show polygamy is bad"

Prove they're valid studies.

Lmfao what?

[Cekoviu]

The thing is, polyamory is bad for society

Unproven bullshit is unproven.

and transgenderism isn't

And yet, many people (mistakenly) think it is. Polyamory is no different in that regard. A harmless thing that a lot of entirely misinformed people condemn because of totally bullshit reasoning.

The key difference being that actual evidence points to polyamory being bad.

[Grenartia]

Prove they're valid studies.

Lmfao what?

You heard me.

[The South Falls]

As long as all parties consent, then I'm fine with the concept of polyamorous relationships.

I'd like to add in a clause, however, that states that money or alleviating a lack of such cannot be used to coerce an individual into a polygamist relationship. It perpetuates class-based marriages, and monetary coercion is contrary to the concept of consenting relationships.

I'm aware you can't truly enforce such a rule, though it's a theoretical consideration on my end, to prevent the "one rich dude, 51 poor women" thing.

[Grenartia]

Unproven bullshit is unproven.



And yet, many people (mistakenly) think it is. Polyamory is no different in that regard. A harmless thing that a lot of entirely misinformed people condemn because of totally bullshit reasoning.

The key difference being that actual evidence points to polyamory being bad.

Most of it is cherrypicked.

[Cekoviu]

The key difference being that actual evidence points to polyamory being bad.

Most of it is cherrypicked.

Cherrypicking is when you choose a few pieces of evidence supporting your position out of a lot of pieces of evidence that generally don't. There are not a lot of pieces of evidence that generally indicate that polyamory is okay.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The key difference being that actual evidence points to polyamory being bad.

Most of it is cherrypicked.

That sounds like something you should prove.

[Galloism]

https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120124093142.htm

So...bullshit someone pulled out of their ass.

University of British Columbia is well known for pulling things out of their ass.

[Celritannia]

Most of it is cherrypicked.

Cherrypicking is when you choose a few pieces of evidence supporting your position out of a lot of pieces of evidence that generally don't. There are not a lot of pieces of evidence that generally indicate that polyamory is okay.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... -polyamory

1. There is no evidence that monogamy is better in terms of relationship longevity, happiness, health, sexual satisfaction, or emotional intimacy. There is also no evidence that polyamory is better. So you may as well go with what feels best to you—and your partner(s).

[Washington Resistance Army]

Cherrypicking is when you choose a few pieces of evidence supporting your position out of a lot of pieces of evidence that generally don't. There are not a lot of pieces of evidence that generally indicate that polyamory is okay.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... -polyamory

1. There is no evidence that monogamy is better in terms of relationship longevity, happiness, health, sexual satisfaction, or emotional intimacy. There is also no evidence that polyamory is better. So you may as well go with what feels best to you—and your partner(s).

Nobody has argued monogamy is better on a personal level. We argued, correctly, that it's better on a societal level.

[Grenartia]

Most of it is cherrypicked.

Cherrypicking is when you choose a few pieces of evidence supporting your position out of a lot of pieces of evidence that generally don't. There are not a lot of pieces of evidence that generally indicate that polyamory is okay.

Its easy to make the entire concept of polyamory look bad when you focus only on cases of societies in the past which tolerated non-monogamy and had plenty of other problems, instead of examining the concept itself and only what is inherent to it.

[Cekoviu]

Cherrypicking is when you choose a few pieces of evidence supporting your position out of a lot of pieces of evidence that generally don't. There are not a lot of pieces of evidence that generally indicate that polyamory is okay.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... -polyamory

1. There is no evidence that monogamy is better in terms of relationship longevity, happiness, health, sexual satisfaction, or emotional intimacy. There is also no evidence that polyamory is better. So you may as well go with what feels best to you—and your partner(s).

This focuses on the nature of the relationship rather than the effect on society, though. Relationships don't exist in a vacuum and they affect their wider environment.

[Celritannia]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... -polyamory

Nobody has argued monogamy is better on a personal level. We argued, correctly, that it's better on a societal level.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... -polyamory

This focuses on the nature of the relationship rather than the effect on society, though. Relationships don't exist in a vacuum and they affect their wider environment.

And it's people that make society.
Again, no evidence to suggest it damages society.

[Galloism]

Nobody has argued monogamy is better on a personal level. We argued, correctly, that it's better on a societal level.

And it's people that make society.
Again, no evidence to suggest it damages society.

You mean except the studies linked earlier, yes?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nobody has argued monogamy is better on a personal level. We argued, correctly, that it's better on a societal level.

And it's people that make society.
Again, no evidence to suggest it damages society.

Except for the mass amount of research showing how easy it is to radicalize young dudes with nothing going for them in life, which widespread acceptance of polyamory and polygamy would create many more of.

[Nap the Magnificent]

Lmfao what?

You heard me.

I mean you can read the article about it yourself.
Also doesn't tend to work out for women (a man having multiple wives is the normal polygamous setup fyi icydk).

[Grenartia]

So...bullshit someone pulled out of their ass.

University of British Columbia is well known for pulling things out of their ass.

The author has clearly has biases that affected their conclusion.

[Luminesa]

The thing is, polyamory is bad for society

Unproven bullshit is unproven.

and transgenderism isn't

And yet, many people (mistakenly) think it is. Polyamory is no different in that regard. A harmless thing that a lot of entirely misinformed people condemn because of totally bullshit reasoning.

Someone can literally point to Solomon having 700 wives as a perfect example. Split a relatively-stable kingdom straight down the middle. Or all of the emperors who had multiple wives and partners at the same time, which caused entire empires to fall.

On a more micro level, this is peak gatekeeping. Cek is not a part of a blob, and it’s not their responsibility to defend glorified infidelity just because some rando on the internet they have to, in order to be an ally. Cek has their own beliefs and is not into polyamory. And doesn’t have to be to want trans people to have happier lives. Not all trans people are polyamorous either, so I guess they’re not true allies?