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How can religions evangelize in schools?

Student groups
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Classes
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Both
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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 2:27 pm

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La xinga wrote:???
If you are living in a neighborhood which is mainly your religion, and become a jewelry store owner in the area, and retire happily, you don't really need to mingle.

Take Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NY. Most of the Jews n the area don;t even have smart phones, sticking to a flip-phone, and revolving around their own world.

And what happens when there is an economic downturn and you are forced to move?

Or when your self contained neighbourhood gets new people moving to the area who are not of your faith?

Or when you want to travel?

Or when you need to deal with the Government or law enforcement?

Studying your religion and only you're religion is just ignorant. And will make life a hell of a lot harder. Not only that, such education, as we have seen countless times over, increases the chances of fundamentalism and violent behaviour.

Then you can move to an area that has the same religion as you! :)
You want to travel? Don't.
Need to deal with gov? Ask peopel in your relig that had the same thing about what they needed to do and learn with them.

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun May 17, 2020 2:27 pm

La xinga wrote:
Eudea wrote:
I was addressing your point about some religions not allowing/discouraging people from interacting with others of other religions. If such a religion says so, then it’s a shite religion that’s nothing more than a tool of control.

Which, come to think of it, all organised religions are.

I don't think so, if G-d said it, he said it, if he didn't, they didn't.
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So you think religions should send members into the world unprepared to operate accordingly? Interesting way to expect your chosen people to thrive.

Were this the law, it would be an excellent argument for banning private religious organization outright.

No, they should teach them their job, say a businessman, how to do it, nothing more.
Albrenia wrote:Science is science even if your religion disagrees with it. Science should be taught in schools, regardless of if it disagrees with your holy book.

Evolution is a thing, Heliocentrism is real, Gravity is a force, we're related to all other forms of life, the world is an oblate spheroid.

That's your opinion Science should be taught in schools regardless of whatever. I don't think so.

Science should be taught in schools because it is fact, or, based on high levels of evidence.

Tell me, if your faith postulated that the world was flat, do you think it would be fine to only be exposed to sources that also believe this demonstrably false idea?
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun May 17, 2020 2:28 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:And what happens when there is an economic downturn and you are forced to move?

Or when your self contained neighbourhood gets new people moving to the area who are not of your faith?

Or when you want to travel?

Or when you need to deal with the Government or law enforcement?

Studying your religion and only you're religion is just ignorant. And will make life a hell of a lot harder. Not only that, such education, as we have seen countless times over, increases the chances of fundamentalism and violent behaviour.

Then you can move to an area that has the same religion as you! :)
You want to travel? Don't.
Need to deal with gov? Ask peopel in your relig that had the same thing about what they needed to do and learn with them.


That last point means you will still need an understanding of other systems outside of your religion
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 2:30 pm

Eudea wrote:
La xinga wrote:I don't think so, if G-d said it, he said it, if he didn't, they didn't.
No, they should teach them their job, say a businessman, how to do it, nothing more.
That's your opinion Science should be taught in schools regardless of whatever. I don't think so.


So essentially your position is nothing more than to encourage and uphold anti-intellectual totalitarian theocratic rule + outright denying scientific theory.

No, public schools can teach science and whatever they feel free to do, but religious schools should teach what they want, and secular studies that don't attack their religion. Or just say: Class, we will be learning about fake stuff today! :)
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La xinga wrote:I don't think so, if G-d said it, he said it, if he didn't, they didn't.
No, they should teach them their job, say a businessman, how to do it, nothing more.
That's your opinion Science should be taught in schools regardless of whatever. I don't think so.

Science should be taught in schools because it is fact, or, based on high levels of evidence.

Tell me, if your faith postulated that the world was flat, do you think it would be fine to only be exposed to sources that also believe this demonstrably false idea?

i don't know any religion that says the world is flat, if they wanna teach that, go ahead, maybe talk to one of their leaders and see what it means!

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Postby Purple Rats » Sun May 17, 2020 2:30 pm

La xinga wrote:That's your opinion Science should be taught in schools regardless of whatever. I don't think so.


I am quite sure, there are religious people who have also studied science, and do believe lot of it, but not just the "beginning" part of it.

In a same way, how I think it is possible to study about other religions while still staying true to yours, it is possible to study science as well, no?

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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 2:31 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:Then you can move to an area that has the same religion as you! :)
You want to travel? Don't.
Need to deal with gov? Ask peopel in your relig that had the same thing about what they needed to do and learn with them.


That last point means you will still need an understanding of other systems outside of your religion

That doesn't usually mean you need to talk about religion.

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun May 17, 2020 2:33 pm

La xinga wrote:
Eudea wrote:
So essentially your position is nothing more than to encourage and uphold anti-intellectual totalitarian theocratic rule + outright denying scientific theory.

No, public schools can teach science and whatever they feel free to do, but religious schools should teach what they want, and secular studies that don't attack their religion. Or just say: Class, we will be learning about fake stuff today! :)
Jedi Council wrote:Science should be taught in schools because it is fact, or, based on high levels of evidence.

Tell me, if your faith postulated that the world was flat, do you think it would be fine to only be exposed to sources that also believe this demonstrably false idea?

i don't know any religion that says the world is flat, if they wanna teach that, go ahead, maybe talk to one of their leaders and see what it means!

No, you are subscribing to a similar concept.

You have said you believe evolution is not real. While not so easily demonstrable as the Earth being round, most people can point to some basic facts that show that evolution is a real process and did/is occurring.

Therefore, you are just as offside about reality as someone who does not believe in the roundness of the earth.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 2:33 pm

Purple Rats wrote:
La xinga wrote:That's your opinion Science should be taught in schools regardless of whatever. I don't think so.


I am quite sure, there are religious people who have also studied science, and do believe lot of it, but not just the "beginning" part of it.

In a same way, how I think it is possible to study about other religions while still staying true to yours, it is possible to study science as well, no?

I believe in "oxygen is in air," but not the beginning part, exactly!

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Postby Necroghastia » Sun May 17, 2020 2:33 pm

La xinga wrote:
Eudea wrote:
So essentially your position is nothing more than to encourage and uphold anti-intellectual totalitarian theocratic rule + outright denying scientific theory.

No, public schools can teach science and whatever they feel free to do, but religious schools should teach what they want, and secular studies that don't attack their religion. Or just say: Class, we will be learning about fake stuff today! :)
Jedi Council wrote:Science should be taught in schools because it is fact, or, based on high levels of evidence.

Tell me, if your faith postulated that the world was flat, do you think it would be fine to only be exposed to sources that also believe this demonstrably false idea?

i don't know any religion that says the world is flat, if they wanna teach that, go ahead, maybe talk to one of their leaders and see what it means!

Why should schools teach blatant falsehoods?
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Postby Eudea » Sun May 17, 2020 2:34 pm

La xinga wrote:
Eudea wrote:
So essentially your position is nothing more than to encourage and uphold anti-intellectual totalitarian theocratic rule + outright denying scientific theory.

No, public schools can teach science and whatever they feel free to do, but religious schools should teach what they want, and secular studies that don't attack their religion. Or just say: Class, we will be learning about fake stuff today! :)
Jedi Council wrote:Science should be taught in schools because it is fact, or, based on high levels of evidence.

Tell me, if your faith postulated that the world was flat, do you think it would be fine to only be exposed to sources that also believe this demonstrably false idea?

i don't know any religion that says the world is flat, if they wanna teach that, go ahead, maybe talk to one of their leaders and see what it means!


So if I and my family followed a pagan cult that deemed all nonbelievers as demon-possessed heretics, the world was flat and the only way to save peoples’ souls is by drowning them and I sent my children to a private school where only this religion was practised it would be completely fine?
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 2:35 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:No, public schools can teach science and whatever they feel free to do, but religious schools should teach what they want, and secular studies that don't attack their religion. Or just say: Class, we will be learning about fake stuff today! :)
i don't know any religion that says the world is flat, if they wanna teach that, go ahead, maybe talk to one of their leaders and see what it means!

No, you are subscribing to a similar concept.

You have said you believe evolution is not real. While not so easily demonstrable as the Earth being round, most people can point to some basic facts that show that evolution is a real process and did/is occurring.

Therefore, you are just as offside about reality as someone who does not believe in the roundness of the earth.

No, cuz I don't believe in these so-called "evidences", and since I'm not going to list them so the thread can remain on-track, I will not, if you want it, I'll tg you.

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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 2:35 pm

Eudea wrote:
La xinga wrote:No, public schools can teach science and whatever they feel free to do, but religious schools should teach what they want, and secular studies that don't attack their religion. Or just say: Class, we will be learning about fake stuff today! :)
i don't know any religion that says the world is flat, if they wanna teach that, go ahead, maybe talk to one of their leaders and see what it means!


So if I and my family followed a pagan cult that deemed all nonbelievers as demon-possessed heretics, the world was flat and the only way to save peoples’ souls is by drowning them and I sent my children to a private school where only this religion was practised it would be completely fine?

DOES your family believe in that?

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun May 17, 2020 2:36 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:No, you are subscribing to a similar concept.

You have said you believe evolution is not real. While not so easily demonstrable as the Earth being round, most people can point to some basic facts that show that evolution is a real process and did/is occurring.

Therefore, you are just as offside about reality as someone who does not believe in the roundness of the earth.

No, cuz I don't believe in these so-called "evidences", and since I'm not going to list them so the thread can remain on-track, I will not, if you want it, I'll tg you.

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun May 17, 2020 2:36 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:No, you are subscribing to a similar concept.

You have said you believe evolution is not real. While not so easily demonstrable as the Earth being round, most people can point to some basic facts that show that evolution is a real process and did/is occurring.

Therefore, you are just as offside about reality as someone who does not believe in the roundness of the earth.

No, cuz I don't believe in these so-called "evidences", and since I'm not going to list them so the thread can remain on-track, I will not, if you want it, I'll tg you.



You dont need to believe in evidence because it is fact. Belief is for things about which there is uncertainty.

But please feel free, just know that when I respond with the vast preponderance of scientists and actual observable fact, you will be proven wrong.
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Postby Eudea » Sun May 17, 2020 2:37 pm

La xinga wrote:
Eudea wrote:
So if I and my family followed a pagan cult that deemed all nonbelievers as demon-possessed heretics, the world was flat and the only way to save peoples’ souls is by drowning them and I sent my children to a private school where only this religion was practised it would be completely fine?

DOES your family believe in that?


Does it matter? It’s a hypothetical question. Would it be completely fine for me and my hypothetical wife to send my hypothetical children to a private school where only the religious truths are taught and anything else is false?
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 2:38 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:No, cuz I don't believe in these so-called "evidences", and since I'm not going to list them so the thread can remain on-track, I will not, if you want it, I'll tg you.



You dont need to believe in evidence because it is fact. Belief is for things about which there is uncertainty.

But please feel free, just know that when I respond with the vast preponderance of scientists and actual observable fact, you will be proven wrong.

Ok so go ahead.

And I don't think it's a fact, I think the fact is that it's not a fact.

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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 17, 2020 2:39 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:

You dont need to believe in evidence because it is fact. Belief is for things about which there is uncertainty.

But please feel free, just know that when I respond with the vast preponderance of scientists and actual observable fact, you will be proven wrong.

Ok so go ahead.

And I don't think it's a fact, I think the fact is that it's not a fact.


You're just objectively wrong, though.

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun May 17, 2020 2:40 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:

You dont need to believe in evidence because it is fact. Belief is for things about which there is uncertainty.

But please feel free, just know that when I respond with the vast preponderance of scientists and actual observable fact, you will be proven wrong.

Ok so go ahead.

And I don't think it's a fact, I think the fact is that it's not a fact.


You do realize that while you were on thin ice before, such blatant ignorance and/or sarcasm has robbed you of any and all credibility right?
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Postby Kernen » Sun May 17, 2020 2:40 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:

You dont need to believe in evidence because it is fact. Belief is for things about which there is uncertainty.

But please feel free, just know that when I respond with the vast preponderance of scientists and actual observable fact, you will be proven wrong.

Ok so go ahead.

And I don't think it's a fact, I think the fact is that it's not a fact.

You know, this is a good idea. The result of this insular approach is that your belief becomes less and less relevant as a cultural force in its greater society. And fades out.
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Postby Purple Rats » Sun May 17, 2020 2:42 pm

La xinga wrote:
Purple Rats wrote:
I am quite sure, there are religious people who have also studied science, and do believe lot of it, but not just the "beginning" part of it.

In a same way, how I think it is possible to study about other religions while still staying true to yours, it is possible to study science as well, no?

I believe in "oxygen is in air," but not the beginning part, exactly!


So, if you don't believe it, and know that there are people who do, then why would it be bad to teach that theory in school?

If a kid does not learn about other religions or science (even as theory, not truth) then at some point if their life they would be totally confused about life and other people.
Kind of like Stephen King "Carrie"

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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 2:42 pm

Albrenia wrote:
La xinga wrote:Ok so go ahead.

And I don't think it's a fact, I think the fact is that it's not a fact.


You're just objectively wrong, though.

Nope, I don't see why I am.
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La xinga wrote:Ok so go ahead.

And I don't think it's a fact, I think the fact is that it's not a fact.


You do realize that while you were on thin ice before, such blatant ignorance and/or sarcasm has robbed you of any and all credibility right?

That's your opinion, as long as I know in my heart that I'm right, you don't exactly count, and for you, you can say the same for me. Cuz i still think I'm correct.
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La xinga wrote:Ok so go ahead.

And I don't think it's a fact, I think the fact is that it's not a fact.

You know, this is a good idea. The result of this insular approach is that your belief becomes less and less relevant as a cultural force in its greater society. And fades out.

If it still exist, not really.

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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 2:44 pm

Purple Rats wrote:
La xinga wrote:I believe in "oxygen is in air," but not the beginning part, exactly!


So, if you don't believe it, and know that there are people who do, then why would it be bad to teach that theory in school?

If a kid does not learn about other religions or science (even as theory, not truth) then at some point if their life they would be totally confused about life and other people.
Kind of like Stephen King "Carrie"

If you REALLY want, they can teach it!

"Hello class, today we will be learning about a bunch of fake stuff.

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun May 17, 2020 2:44 pm

La xinga wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
You're just objectively wrong, though.

Nope, I don't see why I am.
Jedi Council wrote:
You do realize that while you were on thin ice before, such blatant ignorance and/or sarcasm has robbed you of any and all credibility right?

That's your opinion, as long as I know in my heart that I'm right, you don't exactly count, and for you, you can say the same for me. Cuz i still think I'm correct.
Kernen wrote:You know, this is a good idea. The result of this insular approach is that your belief becomes less and less relevant as a cultural force in its greater society. And fades out.

If it still exist, not really.

Ah yes, the pleasures of an unexamined life. I wish I could be so devoted to ignorance, it would make my life incredibly easy and secure.
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Postby Kernen » Sun May 17, 2020 2:45 pm

La xinga wrote:
You know, this is a good idea. The result of this insular approach is that your belief becomes less and less relevant as a cultural force in its greater society. And fades out.

If it still exist, not really.


The Amish exist. Their relevance plummets by the generation.

That it has not yet occurred does not mean it will not.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 2:45 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:Nope, I don't see why I am.

That's your opinion, as long as I know in my heart that I'm right, you don't exactly count, and for you, you can say the same for me. Cuz i still think I'm correct.
If it still exist, not really.

Ah yes, the pleasures of an unexamined life. I wish I could be so devoted to ignorance, it would make my life incredibly easy and secure.

Well, it is a good think I'm not ignorant! :roll:

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