Moving Forward from Biden Allegations

[Washington Resistance Army]

Republicans don't get a pass though. The Dems (previously) held the high ground on the topic and did their best to bring things to light.

Sure worked for the White House currently!

They didn't get a pass though. All the dirty laundry was aired, the GOP was just spineless and put partisanship over anything else. It's a shame to see the Dems doing the same.

[Gormwood]

Sure worked for the White House currently!

They didn't get a pass though. All the dirty laundry was aired, the GOP was just spineless and put partisanship over anything else. It's a shame to see the Dems doing the same.

So you're insisting the Democrats need to operate on the premise that Biden is guilty from the start.

[Major-Tom]

I think, hypothetically, the Democratic Party could replace Biden without some sort of '68 level of massive backlash, but then there's also the precedent it sets. Is Biden a terrible candidate? Definitively, yes. Did Biden win the most votes while the primary season was going? Yup. And as much as I dislike him as a candidate, I don't know how comfortable I am with the DNC just tossing him aside, even if it sounds so good in theory to do so. Because then, what does it mean if we have a progressive candidate in 2024 who wins? Might the DNC then have the grounds to toss them out too? It opens up too many grey areas.

Ideally, Biden would bow out himself and his family would encourage him to do so in light of the allegations of both sexual assault and the looming cloud over his campaign that he may or may not be cognitively sharp the way he once was. But that's not going to happen.

At any rate, I'd just encourage progressives to vote Biden if they're in a swing state, even if it feels grotesque to do so, and vote third party anywhere else (IE safe red states, safe blue states). At the very least, if people on the left-wing of the party find Biden unconscionable, then I'd hope they at least vote for and possibly campaign for down-ballot Dems. Even some of the "moderate" down-ballot candidates are just solid as candidates overall and we could really use a Blue House and Blue Senate were Trump to win re-election.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They didn't get a pass though. All the dirty laundry was aired, the GOP was just spineless and put partisanship over anything else. It's a shame to see the Dems doing the same.

So you're insisting the Democrats need to operate on the premise that Biden is guilty from the start.

Sure, Biden himself has more or less said so in the past.

[Cyng]

Damn dems sure ain't #believingallwomen now huh

After years of using rape allegations as a political tool, how are you gonna respond when the same happens to you? Fucking hilarious.

[Galloism]

They didn't get a pass though. All the dirty laundry was aired, the GOP was just spineless and put partisanship over anything else. It's a shame to see the Dems doing the same.

So you're insisting the Democrats need to operate on the premise that Biden is guilty from the start.

Biden said we should.

Of course, I think Biden is wrong.

[Major-Tom]

Damn dems sure ain't #believingallwomen now huh

After years of using rape allegations as a political tool, how are you gonna respond when the same happens to you? Fucking hilarious.

You might be surprised at the number of ordinary Dem voters who are deeply concerned about all of this, myself included. It really boils down to the establishment structure of the party not giving a damn, and a lot of Dem voters do find that highly problematic.

[Gormwood]

So you're insisting the Democrats need to operate on the premise that Biden is guilty from the start.

Sure, Biden himself has more or less said so in the past.

But the Republicans don't, so in effect they should hobble themselves on the slightest pretense like they did with Al Franken while not even video evidence of a sex crime would knock a Republican out.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sure, Biden himself has more or less said so in the past.

But the Republicans don't, so in effect they should hobble themselves on the slightest pretense like they did with Al Franken while not even video evidence of a sex crime would knock a Republican out.

It's called having the moral high ground. They seem very content to forfeit it on the topic of sexual assault though, it's pretty clear nobody actually gives a shit about it.

[Gormwood]

But the Republicans don't, so in effect they should hobble themselves on the slightest pretense like they did with Al Franken while not even video evidence of a sex crime would knock a Republican out.

It's called having the moral high ground. They seem very content to forfeit it on the topic of sexual assault though, it's pretty clear nobody actually gives a shit about it.

So when did moral high ground ever give someone government control outside of a religious text?

[Kannap]

Bombadil was suggesting that they all be held accountable.

You're suggesting none of them be held accountable because the two Republicans haven't been.

Apparently it's just okay, regardless.

That is some serious telepathic powers you got there, saying I think none of them should be held accountable because Republicans always get a pass.

Sure seems to be a recurring thing with you whenever people mention Biden's allegations for you to say "But Trump's allegations" as if they excuse Biden's. Don't need telepathic powers to make observations of posts in an online forum.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's called having the moral high ground. They seem very content to forfeit it on the topic of sexual assault though, it's pretty clear nobody actually gives a shit about it.

So when did moral high ground ever give someone government control outside of a religious text?

I never said it would.

[Cyng]

Damn dems sure ain't #believingallwomen now huh

After years of using rape allegations as a political tool, how are you gonna respond when the same happens to you? Fucking hilarious.

You might be surprised at the number of ordinary Dem voters who are deeply concerned about all of this, myself included. It really boils down to the establishment structure of the party not giving a damn, and a lot of Dem voters do find that highly problematic.

This country would be much better off if more people were principled like this, I'll give you that.

Rs jumping all over this are just opening themselves up to being called hypocrites down the line. They should just be focusing on the hypocrisy aspect, but they don't know how to play smart politics.

[New haven america]

Damn dems sure ain't #believingallwomen now huh

After years of using rape allegations as a political tool, how are you gonna respond when the same happens to you? Fucking hilarious.

Well I've been saying since these allegations came out that there should be a full investigation, just like how I said there needed to be a full investigation of the Kavanaugh accusation (Not that pitiful hearing he got), but I'm not a Dem, so...

Funny thing though, reporters have been investigating it independently and have had a lot of problems finding actual info, so yeah. It's basically a he said she said argument at this point.

[Kannap]

They didn't get a pass though. All the dirty laundry was aired, the GOP was just spineless and put partisanship over anything else. It's a shame to see the Dems doing the same.

So you're insisting the Democrats need to operate on the premise that Biden is guilty from the start.

At bare minimum, they need to take the allegations seriously and accept they may be true rather than completely ignoring or disregarding them.

As a wise man once said, “For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights, the focus nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she is talking about is real. Whether or not she forgets the facts, whether or not it has been made worse or better over time.”

[Gormwood]

That is some serious telepathic powers you got there, saying I think none of them should be held accountable because Republicans always get a pass.

Sure seems to be a recurring thing with you whenever people mention Biden's allegations for you to say "But Trump's allegations" as if they excuse Biden's. Don't need telepathic powers to make observations of posts in an online forum.

When one side flagrantly cares more about power than morality as shown with the Trump impeachment, holding the Democrats to your lofty standards is just a feelgood posture that the Republicans ignore while carrying on business as usual- which includes obstructing if not undoing progressive agendas. One sided chivalry is a sucker's game.

[Major-Tom]

You might be surprised at the number of ordinary Dem voters who are deeply concerned about all of this, myself included. It really boils down to the establishment structure of the party not giving a damn, and a lot of Dem voters do find that highly problematic.

This country would be much better off if more people were principled like this, I'll give you that.

Rs jumping all over this are just opening themselves up to being called hypocrites down the line. They should just be focusing on the hypocrisy aspect, but they don't know how to play smart politics.

Neither the Dem party structure or GOP party structure is all that principled, that's the predominant issue. I feel that a lot of voters are stuck between principle and pragmatics, but the line between the two has become so skewed that you see Dems who are suspect of Biden feeling the need to just plug their nose and vote for him, the same way many moderate Republicans and conservative independents did in 2016 for Trump.

Because, when neither major candidate or party structured is principled anymore, it's going to reveal itself in the general populace when they vote. It's just depressing all around.

[Cyng]

Damn dems sure ain't #believingallwomen now huh

After years of using rape allegations as a political tool, how are you gonna respond when the same happens to you? Fucking hilarious.

Well I've been saying since these allegations came out that there should be a full investigation, just like how I said there needed to be a full investigation of the Kavanaugh accusation (Not that pitiful hearing he got), but I'm not a Dem, so...

Funny thing though, reporters have been investigating it independently and have had a lot of problems finding actual info, so yeah. It's basically a he said she said argument at this point.

Still is awfully hilarious. I mean Biden himself said that an allegation should more or less be treated as a conviction. I really wish we didn't have to wait until October to see these shitshow debates.

[Kannap]

Sure seems to be a recurring thing with you whenever people mention Biden's allegations for you to say "But Trump's allegations" as if they excuse Biden's. Don't need telepathic powers to make observations of posts in an online forum.

When one side flagrantly cares more about power than morality as shown with the Trump impeachment, holding the Democrats to your lofty standards is just a feelgood posture that the Republicans ignore while carrying on business as usual- which includes obstructing if not undoing progressive agendas. One sided chivalry is a sucker's game.

I hold all people to the "lofty standards" of not sexually harassing or assaulting people, really a shame those are lofty standards but oh well.

I certainly don't feel good since both sides ignore while carrying on business as usual and we get nowhere. Republicans lost my respect a long time ago, Democrats have only managed to do it recently.

[Mandicoria]

Trump already won the election lol, it was already lost when they chose a literal dementia ridden corpse candidate. Let alone the fact you have rape allegations and people willing to ignore it because "VOTE BLU NO MATTER WHO BRO!!!! WE GOTTA BEAT DA BLUMP!!!". Dems had their chance and they blew it. You literally cannot move forward, because it was never an option to begin with.

[Greed and Death]

When one side flagrantly cares more about power than morality as shown with the Trump impeachment, holding the Democrats to your lofty standards is just a feelgood posture that the Republicans ignore while carrying on business as usual- which includes obstructing if not undoing progressive agendas. One sided chivalry is a sucker's game.

I hold all people to the "lofty standards" of not sexually harassing or assaulting people, really a shame those are lofty standards but oh well.

I certainly don't feel good since both sides ignore while carrying on business as usual and we get nowhere. Republicans lost my respect a long time ago, Democrats have only managed to do it recently.

You must not have listened to the Anita Hill hearings ? Listen to the Chair of the Senate judiciary committee you can almost come away with a feeling that the chair felt even if true Thomas did no wrong.

[Kannap]

I hold all people to the "lofty standards" of not sexually harassing or assaulting people, really a shame those are lofty standards but oh well.

I certainly don't feel good since both sides ignore while carrying on business as usual and we get nowhere. Republicans lost my respect a long time ago, Democrats have only managed to do it recently.

You must not have listened to the Anita Hill hearings ? Listen to the Chair of the Senate judiciary committee you can almost come away with a feeling that the chair felt even if true Thomas did no wrong.

If I were old enough to have seen/heard the Anita Hill hearings when they happened, I'd probably have lost respect for Dems then. Still would've lost respect for Republicans much sooner.

[Greater Miami Shores]

The Dems have largely lost any high ground to attack Trump on this front given how much they've downplayed it. My personal favorite was Pelosi saying she was pleased with Biden's response before Biden had even acknowledged the allegations.

Ultimately nobody is going to be held accountable and I feel we should all accept a lot of people in politics are shitty, awful people and even things like this are drawn on partisan lines.

I keep saying both sides do it, both sides play politics and neither are political saints, and I still get criticized as wrong, lol have mercy, whatever the heck that means, I made it up a long time ago and it sounds cool so I use it.

[New haven america]

Trump already won the election lol, it was already lost when they chose a literal dementia ridden corpse candidate. Let alone the fact you have rape allegations and people willing to ignore it because "VOTE BLU NO MATTER WHO BRO!!!! WE GOTTA BEAT DA BLUMP!!!". Dems had their chance and they blew it. You literally cannot move forward, because it was never an option to begin with.

Maybe Bernie's supporters should've actually gone out and voted for him or something...

[Atheris]

Trump already won the election lol, it was already lost when they chose a literal dementia ridden corpse candidate. Let alone the fact you have rape allegations and people willing to ignore it because "VOTE BLU NO MATTER WHO BRO!!!! WE GOTTA BEAT DA BLUMP!!!". Dems had their chance and they blew it. You literally cannot move forward, because it was never an option to begin with.

Maybe Bernie's supporters should've actually gone out and voted for him or something...

Maybe Bernie should've actually had a wider audience instead of millennials, and actually tried to get black people and women to vote for him...