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Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

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Have you or anyone in your vincinity been affected by COVID-19?

I don't know anyone who has been diagnosed with COVID-19
300
44%
I know someone was diagnosed with COVID-19
159
23%
Someone very close to me was diagnosed with COVID-19
42
6%
I know someone who was hospitalized with COVID-19
62
9%
Someone very close to me was hospitalized with COVID-19
30
4%
I was diagnosed with COVID-19
23
3%
I was hospitalized with COVID-19
9
1%
I don't know/unsure/other
57
8%
 
Total votes : 682

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun May 03, 2020 12:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Sacrifice too much liberty for safety and there will be no safety from the government. Most governments in the past, present and likely in the future don't usually do something without the ulterior motive of expanding their power or protecting themselves, and already tyrants worldwide are using COVID to expand their power (Orban, dutuerte, etc).

Yeah, but it’s GVH. Mate probably thinks speed limits are tyranny.

Daily reminder that GVH thinks rabies quarantine measures aren't for him and introducing an untreatable disease to Britain is just fine.
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Rojava Free State
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 12:48 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
There will be alot of social consequences because of COVID. It's hard to tell if we are doing everything right now, and that'll only be truly known years from now when COVID no longer exists.


Indeed.

My best-case scenario is that this situation exposes the complete incompetence and in some cases evil of modern governments, people get sick of it and want change, and leads to some long-term positive changes (even if in the short term it worsens).

My worst-case scenario is that in a few years, Coronavirus (or at least the significant threat it poses) is gone, nobody gives a shit about changing anything, and we go right back to pre-pandemic conditions, just with more authoritarian laws slipped through during the pandemic that nobody cares to remove (or, if a state goes full authoritarian, can remove).


If we don't learn from this, something worse will come along that is far deadlier and will burn the world to the ground.

*cough cough* Climate Change.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 12:49 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah, but it’s GVH. Mate probably thinks speed limits are tyranny.

Daily reminder that GVH thinks rabies quarantine measures aren't for him and introducing an untreatable disease to Britain is just fine.


The UK doesn't deserve this fate.
Last edited by Rojava Free State on Sun May 03, 2020 12:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Estanglia
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Postby Estanglia » Sun May 03, 2020 12:50 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Indeed.

My best-case scenario is that this situation exposes the complete incompetence and in some cases evil of modern governments, people get sick of it and want change, and leads to some long-term positive changes (even if in the short term it worsens).

My worst-case scenario is that in a few years, Coronavirus (or at least the significant threat it poses) is gone, nobody gives a shit about changing anything, and we go right back to pre-pandemic conditions, just with more authoritarian laws slipped through during the pandemic that nobody cares to remove (or, if a state goes full authoritarian, can remove).


If we don't learn from this, something worse will come along that is far deadlier and will burn the world to the ground.

*cough cough* Climate Change.


And then if we don't learn from that impending threat and do something to at least mitigate it (if we can't completely stop it by the time we get off our asses and deal with it), we probably deserve our fate.
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

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Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 03, 2020 12:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes.

Why?

I assume he was too busy contemplating his own farts.
Mistake Not My Current State Of Regular Thorough Handwashing For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Mask Wearing That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Social Distancing
He/Him

You've got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track, and it ain't along the black-top tar you walked a hundred times before.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to paradise, likewise the road to ruin.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 03, 2020 12:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes.

Why?


He wasn’t talking about a pandemic.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 03, 2020 12:51 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah, but it’s GVH. Mate probably thinks speed limits are tyranny.

Daily reminder that GVH thinks rabies quarantine measures aren't for him and introducing an untreatable disease to Britain is just fine.


Be careful, GVH has been said to report those to the mods who call him out.

For this and other reasons he'd ended up on my foelist.
Daily reminder that true socialism begins at home with love towards your people.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 03, 2020 12:51 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why?

I assume he was too busy contemplating his own farts.

That’s not an answer

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 03, 2020 12:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I assume he was too busy contemplating his own farts.

That’s not an answer


Fart Proudly.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Rojava Free State
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 12:53 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
If we don't learn from this, something worse will come along that is far deadlier and will burn the world to the ground.

*cough cough* Climate Change.


And then if we don't learn from that impending threat and do something to at least mitigate it (if we can't completely stop it by the time we get off our asses and deal with it), we probably deserve our fate.


We have until 2030 to reverse course and if we don't, we have till either 2050 or 2100 before the modern world comes to an end from floods, fires and famine. I would like to think we will deal with climate change but knowing how people work, let's just say I think my grandkids are gonna be living in cave somewhere in the Michigan marshland, overlooking the half submerged monoliths that once were the Detroit skyline.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun May 03, 2020 12:54 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That’s not an answer


Fart Proudly.


I'm feeling pretty attacked right now....

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 03, 2020 12:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I assume he was too busy contemplating his own farts.

That’s not an answer

I said he was wrong, you asked why, I just told you why he was wrong. You are answered.
Mistake Not My Current State Of Regular Thorough Handwashing For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Mask Wearing That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Social Distancing
He/Him

You've got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track, and it ain't along the black-top tar you walked a hundred times before.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to paradise, likewise the road to ruin.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 03, 2020 12:55 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That’s not an answer

I said he was wrong, you asked why, I just told you why he was wrong. You are answered.

No you did not give an answer

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 03, 2020 12:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I said he was wrong, you asked why, I just told you why he was wrong. You are answered.

No you did not give an answer


How about he was too busy chasing women?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 03, 2020 12:57 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No you did not give an answer


How about he was too busy chasing women?

How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?

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Postby Diahon » Sun May 03, 2020 12:57 pm

Nakena wrote:


Be careful, GVH has been said to report those to the mods who call him out.


hi

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Either way you sacrifice freedoms.

You either sacrifice the freedoms of many temporarily (assuming you're not living in an authoritarian or about-to-be-authoritarian state) to reduce the number of people who lose their freedoms permanently, or sacrifice the freedoms of a larger number of people permanently to prevent the temporary loss of the freedoms of many.

Their is freedom in the afterlife.


Tucker Carlson: Leadership is about killing people huehuehue
Greater vakolicci haven: Freedom is about killing people

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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 03, 2020 12:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I said he was wrong, you asked why, I just told you why he was wrong. You are answered.

No you did not give an answer

Yes I did. If you don't like the answer then maybe you've asked the wrong question.
Mistake Not My Current State Of Regular Thorough Handwashing For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Mask Wearing That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Social Distancing
He/Him

You've got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track, and it ain't along the black-top tar you walked a hundred times before.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to paradise, likewise the road to ruin.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun May 03, 2020 12:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
How about he was too busy chasing women?

How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?

The fuck is going on

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 03, 2020 12:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
How about he was too busy chasing women?

How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?


Asked and answered. He was not talking about pandemics.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 03, 2020 12:58 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?

The fuck is going on


RUN! run while you can. It’s too late for us!
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Fartsniffage
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun May 03, 2020 12:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
How about he was too busy chasing women?

How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?


He was talking about fighting what he thought was a tyrannical government, not a plague.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 03, 2020 1:00 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How about giving an actual answer as to why his quote is wrong?


Asked and answered. He was not talking about pandemics.

I don’t think his quote had stipulations

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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 03, 2020 1:00 pm

Diahon wrote:hi


OHAI!

Diahon, you naughty boy.

I am going to miss you.

Glad you could made it into the 4th iteration of this most exciting series of threads.
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Estanglia
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Postby Estanglia » Sun May 03, 2020 1:00 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
And then if we don't learn from that impending threat and do something to at least mitigate it (if we can't completely stop it by the time we get off our asses and deal with it), we probably deserve our fate.


We have until 2030 to reverse course and if we don't, we have till either 2050 or 2100 before the modern world comes to an end from floods, fires and famine. I would like to think we will deal with climate change but knowing how people work, let's just say I think my grandkids are gonna be living in cave somewhere in the Michigan marshland, overlooking the half submerged monoliths that once were the Detroit skyline.


I'm slightly more optimistic than that, but yeah, if we don't act soon it's gonna be grim.

Regardless, to bring it back to the thread topic, I hope this pandemic serves as a wake-up call as to why the current modern system desperately needs improvement if we want a good future.
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

(Taken 29/08/2020)
Political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 03, 2020 1:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Asked and answered. He was not talking about pandemics.

I don’t think his quote had stipulations


Not all quotes are memes.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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