Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Valrifell]

I didn't think it would in the first place, because for that video to happen so much would have to go right/wrong perfectly.

Still, I hope that we don't get to the point where the choice is that or large numbers of dead.

It would never happen. Thats not a world many people would want or accept

Never is a word that doesn't really play with reality. Observe;

"We could never have a major outbreak in current year, sanitation and germ theory eradicated major outbreaks."

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... l-shopping

California will allow religious services to resume and retail to reopen

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... en-june-15
Most shops in in the UK will be allowed to reopen june 15th

[San Lumen]

It would never happen. Thats not a world many people would want or accept

Never is a word that doesn't really play with reality. Observe;

"We could never have a major outbreak in current year, sanitation and germ theory eradicated major outbreaks."

Have you seen the video in question? If so you really think many would want or accept that dystopian world?

[Fartsniffage]

Never is a word that doesn't really play with reality. Observe;

"We could never have a major outbreak in current year, sanitation and germ theory eradicated major outbreaks."

Have you seen the video in question? If so you really think many would want or accept that dystopian world?

You really want to get a grip. No one wants a lockdown forever but people do accept it needs to happen for a bit.

[Rojava Free State]

Have you seen the video in question? If so you really think many would want or accept that dystopian world?

You really want to get a grip. No one wants a lockdown forever but people do accept it needs to happen for a bit.

Didn't they just allow groups of 10 to gather in New York? The lockdown is loosening there.

[San Lumen]

You really want to get a grip. No one wants a lockdown forever but people do accept it needs to happen for a bit.

Didn't they just allow groups of 10 to gather in New York? The lockdown is loosening there.

Yes they did

[The Black Forrest]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/499440-california-to-allow-places-of-worship-to-reopen-in-store-retail-shopping

California will allow religious services to resume and retail to reopen

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... en-june-15
Most shops in in the UK will be allowed to reopen june 15th

He can call on it. Luckily many people don’t buy the message. Many services still going through zoom/webex/etc. Store retail isn’t opening in mass. Still doing the curbside stuff.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/499440-california-to-allow-places-of-worship-to-reopen-in-store-retail-shopping

California will allow religious services to resume and retail to reopen

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... en-june-15
Most shops in in the UK will be allowed to reopen june 15th

He can call on it. Luckily many people don’t buy the message. Many services still going through zoom/webex/etc. Store retail isn’t opening in mass. Still doing the curbside stuff.

That’s their choice then

[The Black Forrest]

He can call on it. Luckily many people don’t buy the message. Many services still going through zoom/webex/etc. Store retail isn’t opening in mass. Still doing the curbside stuff.

That’s their choice then

Changed your views?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

In Spanish we call them “pendejos”.

I like "mononeuronales" myself.

Hah, I like that.

[Albrenia]

I'm very glad this pandemic isn't quite as bad as initial projections (yet, don't want to jinx it, heh). Can you imagine how many people would have died if it really did have a 1-3% death rate across all age and health groups?

Also has shown some countries really need to work on their community spirit.

[San Lumen]

That’s their choice then

Changed your views?

If it’s the choice of the business I have no problem with it

[Estanglia]

Wow.

Can we make a word for all these idiots that are just helping to spread this virus and ironically continuing and justifying the measures they defy/oppose? Idiot doesn't feel good enough.

In Spanish we call them “pendejos”.

Pendejo (according to the Diccionario de la lengua española de la Real Academia Española, lit.: "a pubic hair'[c] is, according to the Chicano poet José Antonio Burciaga, "basically describes someone who is stupid or does something stupid."[c] Burciaga said that the word is often used while not in polite conversation.[c] It may be translated as "dumbass" or "asshole" in many situations, though it carries an extra implication of willful incompetence, or innocent gullibility that's ripe for others to exploit.

Today I learned (assuming the Wikipedia for Spanish profanity (a page I didn't even realise existed until now) is correct) that Spanish has a word that sums up exactly my thoughts on a good chunk of the Coronavirus protests: willfully incompetent assholes.

In Spanish we call them “pendejos”.

I like "mononeuronales" myself.

I'm guessing that that's something like "people with one brain cell", in which case there's another appropriate word.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

In Spanish we call them “pendejos”.

Pendejo (according to the Diccionario de la lengua española de la Real Academia Española, lit.: "a pubic hair'[c] is, according to the Chicano poet José Antonio Burciaga, "basically describes someone who is stupid or does something stupid."[c] Burciaga said that the word is often used while not in polite conversation.[c] It may be translated as "dumbass" or "asshole" in many situations, though it carries an extra implication of willful incompetence, or innocent gullibility that's ripe for others to exploit.

Today I learned (assuming the Wikipedia for Spanish profanity (a page I didn't even realise existed until now) is correct) that Spanish has a word that sums up exactly my thoughts on a good chunk of the Coronavirus protests: willfully incompetent assholes.

I like "mononeuronales" myself.

I'm guessing that that's something like "people with one brain cell", in which case there's another appropriate word.

Ayup, on both things. ;}

[Luziyca]

In happier news from where I live, the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization-International Vaccine Centre at my university has shown that a potential COVID-19 vaccine works on ferrets.

Let's hope it works on humans.

[The Lone Alliance]

There could be a hospitalization bias.
Not everyone who is sick goes to hospital (what it will cost them is surely a factor, has there been any change there?)
Not everyone who goes to hospital gets admitted (has there been any change in hospital admission standards?)

But regardless of that, it could be that not much has changed despite the "end of lockdown". There were people not observing it before the "end" was announced. Also there would be people now, exercising precautions (a voluntary lockdown if you will). Not hospitalization bias, but this explanation that only some people have actually changed their behavior, accounts for the expected spike not occurring.

One thing clearly has changed in those states: more businesses are open. Perhaps after all, just requiring or recommending precautions in businesses, but not shutting them entirely, would have been the best approach. (Then there's Sweden...)

This is why I think that even if we do get a second outbreak the world is not likely to return to a lockdown strategy again, at least not in places that have a stable working healthcare system, I could see lockdowns happening if a second waves hits a developing country hard, but even then there's issues a developing nation's economy won't be able to survive a second lockdown, if they even survived the first one.

[San Lumen]

There could be a hospitalization bias.
Not everyone who is sick goes to hospital (what it will cost them is surely a factor, has there been any change there?)
Not everyone who goes to hospital gets admitted (has there been any change in hospital admission standards?)

But regardless of that, it could be that not much has changed despite the "end of lockdown". There were people not observing it before the "end" was announced. Also there would be people now, exercising precautions (a voluntary lockdown if you will). Not hospitalization bias, but this explanation that only some people have actually changed their behavior, accounts for the expected spike not occurring.

One thing clearly has changed in those states: more businesses are open. Perhaps after all, just requiring or recommending precautions in businesses, but not shutting them entirely, would have been the best approach. (Then there's Sweden...)

This is why I think that even if we do get a second outbreak the world is not likely to return to a lockdown strategy again, at least not in places that have a stable working healthcare system, I could see lockdowns happening if a second waves hits a developing country hard, but even then there's issues a developing nation's economy won't be able to survive a second lockdown, if they even survived the first one.

I agree a second lockdown is very unlikely.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 111715302/

When you have reports of 37 percent of unemployed Americans running out of food a second lockdown is very unlikely to happen

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Ok, my mother just linked me to a news piece in Puerto Rico. Two doctors there are carrying a study under compassionate care for CoVID19 patients. The study has 13 participants, two of which were released from hospital after getting treated with immunosuppressants like cortisone and steroids and responding well: https://www.notiuno.com/covid-19/doctor ... 3dd77.html

Translation:

The infectologist, Javier Morales, said in the program En Caliente with Carmen Jovet that, together with Dr. Fernando Cabanillas, has managed, through a study, to stop the development and subsequent complications of coronavirus in patients using steroids and cortisone.

"It has been found that there are some substances in the body that one can measure and that are elevated at the preamble of disaster. (Personal note: this seems to refer to the cytokine storm that has killed quite a few CoVID19 patients) Interleukin 6 is one of those substances in patients who get complications. In patients with elevated Interleukin 6, we give them steroids under medical supervision. Right now, of the 13 patients participating in the study, two of them were already discharged. These are patients who were expected to get complications with the disease,”, Morales said.

Immunosuppressive therapy is already being used in the protocols of many hospitals to fight coronavirus.

First, there is the “infectious phase” in which the patient becomes infected and, later, in certain patients, the second, “inflammatory phase” appears, in which the virus “is limited to the lungs” and, therefore, it would be most important for the patient because it makes them “go critical”. It is, at that critical moment, where the use of immunosuppressants could avoid fatal consequences.

This treatment would only be applied to the most severe cases and at a very specific stage in the infection. Similar studies are underway in France, Germany and Italy.

For his part, oncologist Fernando Cabanillas, said that the recent statements of the Health Secretary, Lorenzo González, that he anticipates another wave of coronavirus infections and said that it will serve to immunize the population is “a double-edged sword” (Personal note: this part doesn’t make much sense in Spanish either. If I were to venture a guess, I think this is an allusion to a possible vaccine or that the PR Health Secretary could’ve thought about immunization of the population with immunosuppressants- but it doesn’t make sense).

There’s audio of the show if anyone who speaks and understands Spanish wishes to listen to.

Edit: translation correction.
Edit 2: I can’t into translation today. <~<
Edit 3: ok, after a fourth read of the last part of the article, I’m 95% certain it’s an allusion to the second wave and promoting herd immunity.

[Estanglia]

Pendejo (according to the Diccionario de la lengua española de la Real Academia Española, lit.: "a pubic hair'[c] is, according to the Chicano poet José Antonio Burciaga, "basically describes someone who is stupid or does something stupid."[c] Burciaga said that the word is often used while not in polite conversation.[c] It may be translated as "dumbass" or "asshole" in many situations, though it carries an extra implication of willful incompetence, or innocent gullibility that's ripe for others to exploit.

Today I learned (assuming the Wikipedia for Spanish profanity (a page I didn't even realise existed until now) is correct) that Spanish has a word that sums up exactly my thoughts on a good chunk of the Coronavirus protests: willfully incompetent assholes.



I'm guessing that that's something like "people with one brain cell", in which case there's another appropriate word.

Ayup, on both things. ;}

Nice to know I now have more words to describe some of the people I am very quickly losing sympathy for.

I get wanting these lockdown measures to end (particularly in the US, where it seems like there's not enough help for some people and seemingly not enough political will (or at least the political will is constantly challenged/blocked) to change that). I get protesting too, since that's a way to explicitly express that you're not okay with the continued lockdowns and wanting them to be over.

I want people to do it safely, for their own sake as much as others. Proper social distancing, masks, etc. If someone's legitimately suffering under this lockdown, and find protesting their only or main outlet to express that, them getting infected will just worsen their current state. The people who don't do that, or worse are conspiracy theorist nutjobs of the same breed as the 5g tower attackers or are using weapons to attempt to intimidate people, I'm quickly losing whatever sympathy I still have left for them.

[Estanglia]

Ok, my mother just linked me to a news piece in Puerto Rico. Two doctors there are carrying a study under compassionate care for CoVID19 patients. The study has 13 participants, two of which were released from hospital after getting treated with immunosuppressants like cortisone and steroids and responding well: https://www.notiuno.com/covid-19/doctor ... 3dd77.html

Translation:

The infectologist, Javier Morales, said in the program En Caliente with Carmen Jovet that, together with Dr. Fernando Cabanillas, he has managed, through a study, to stop the development and subsequent complications of coronavirus in patients, using steroids and cortisone.

"It has been found that there are some substances that one can measure and that are the preamble to disaster. And there is Interleukin 6, in patients who get complications. In patients who elevate Interleukin we give them steroids under medical supervision. Until now of the 13 patients in the study, two of them were discharged. These are patients who were expected to get complications with the disease,”, Morales said.

Immunosuppressive therapy is already being used in the protocols of many hospitals to fight coronavirus.

First, there is the "infectious phase in which the patient becomes infected" and, later, in certain patients, the "second, inflammatory phase" appears, in which the virus "is limited to the lungs" and, therefore, it would be most important for the patient because it makes them "go into a critical state". It is, at that critical moment, where the use of immunosuppressants could avoid fatal consequences.

This treatment would only be applied to the most severe cases and at a very specific moment in the infection. Similar studies are underway in France, Germany and Italy.

For his part, oncologist Fernando Cabanillas, said that the recent statements of the Health Secretary, Lorenzo González, that he anticipates another wave of coronavirus infections and said that it will serve to immunize the population is "a double-edged sword".

There’s audio of the show if anyone who speaks and understands Spanish wishes to listen to.

When a patient reaches the point where the immune system begins to overreact and potentially cause more harm than good, give them immunosuppressants to reduce/prevent that overreaction (is at least what I gathered from the translation, since the source is blocked for me and I would've probably had to google translate anyway if the article's in Spanish, since my secondary school Spanish probably isn't enough)).

It's interesting that something that sounds so counterintuitive as "suppress the immune system whilst someone's fighting off an infection" could actually have some positive effects. Interesting, helpful, and kind of morbid.

[Shrillland]

Ayup, on both things. ;}

Nice to know I now have more words to describe some of the people I am very quickly losing sympathy for.

I get wanting these lockdown measures to end (particularly in the US, where it seems like there's not enough help for some people and seemingly not enough political will (or at least the political will is constantly challenged/blocked) to change that). I get protesting too, since that's a way to explicitly express that you're not okay with the continued lockdowns and wanting them to be over.

I want people to do it safely, for their own sake as much as others. Proper social distancing, masks, etc. If someone's legitimately suffering under this lockdown, and find protesting their only or main outlet to express that, them getting infected will just worsen their current state. The people who don't do that, or worse are conspiracy theorist nutjobs of the same breed as the 5g tower attackers or are using weapons to attempt to intimidate people, I'm quickly losing whatever sympathy I still have left for them.

Unfortunately, this will, I think, kill the last hopes of providing help for some people(in the form of some kind of national health)once and for all.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Ok, my mother just linked me to a news piece in Puerto Rico. Two doctors there are carrying a study under compassionate care for CoVID19 patients. The study has 13 participants, two of which were released from hospital after getting treated with immunosuppressants like cortisone and steroids and responding well: https://www.notiuno.com/covid-19/doctor ... 3dd77.html

Translation:


There’s audio of the show if anyone who speaks and understands Spanish wishes to listen to.

When a patient reaches the point where the immune system begins to overreact and potentially cause more harm than good, give them immunosuppressants to reduce/prevent that overreaction (is at least what I gathered from the translation, since the source is blocked for me and I would've probably had to google translate anyway if the article's in Spanish, since my secondary school Spanish probably isn't enough)).

It's interesting that something that sounds so counterintuitive as "suppress the immune system whilst someone's fighting off an infection" could actually have some positive effects. Interesting, helpful, and kind of morbid.

I’ve added a few corrections for flow, some personal notes too since there are portions of the article that are unclear or make no sense.

[Liriena]

Eventually, yes. Preferably when we aren't facing an outbreak that could collapse our healthcare system and decimate our aging population. Over 20% of the population of Buenos Aires would be at serious risk if we didn't keep the outbreak in check.

That many people?

Over 20% of the population of Buenos Aires is over the age of 60.

[Trollgaard]

This is why I think that even if we do get a second outbreak the world is not likely to return to a lockdown strategy again, at least not in places that have a stable working healthcare system, I could see lockdowns happening if a second waves hits a developing country hard, but even then there's issues a developing nation's economy won't be able to survive a second lockdown, if they even survived the first one.

I agree a second lockdown is very unlikely.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 111715302/

When you have reports of 37 percent of unemployed Americans running out of food a second lockdown is very unlikely to happen

Didn't Trump say we aren't doing more lockdowns even if second wave does come?

[-SARS-]

I agree a second lockdown is very unlikely.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 111715302/

When you have reports of 37 percent of unemployed Americans running out of food a second lockdown is very unlikely to happen

Didn't Trump say we aren't doing more lockdowns even if second wave does come?

Sounds like this fall is going to be the perfect time for me to take that big American road trip I've been daydreaming of. I'll ask COVID if it wants to be my travel buddy.