Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Come on Argieland, don’t take a page out of moronic US history, please.

I'm so tired of my own social class.

And much like their moronic American peers, some of these people were anti-vaxxers and NWO conspiracy theorists.

Too much stupid. Wanna take a bet on how many of them catch CoVID19 in the coming weeks?

[San Lumen]

What I think is most likely is that we'll get a treatment by winter, and a vaccine sometime next year. But, whilst I would like a vaccine before the end of the year, I don't want a vaccine to be rushed to preempt winter, only for flaws to appear somewhere and make the rushing either pointless or counterproductive.

Ironically, the vaccine race is being somewhat slowed down. The horse in the lead, the Oxford Vaccine, is now possibly going to be less than ideal, ironically because Covid cases have been falling so fast in the UK that they can't do a proper study: https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-scientists-working-coronavirus-vaccine-100847254.html

What are we going to do if current vaccines fail then? implement on an off social distancing and ban fans at sporting events and not have live events anymore and partition everything with glass barriers everywhere?

[Liriena]

I'm so tired of my own social class.

And much like their moronic American peers, some of these people were anti-vaxxers and NWO conspiracy theorists.

Too much stupid. Wanna take a bet on how many of them catch CoVID19 in the coming weeks?

Waaaay too many, that's for sure. Specially when Buenos Aires is still the epicenter of the virus' spread here and daily cases have been increasing.

[Fartsniffage]

Ironically, the vaccine race is being somewhat slowed down. The horse in the lead, the Oxford Vaccine, is now possibly going to be less than ideal, ironically because Covid cases have been falling so fast in the UK that they can't do a proper study: https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-scientists-working-coronavirus-vaccine-100847254.html

What are we going to do if current vaccines fail then? Keep on an off social distancing and ban fans at sporting events and not have live events anymore?

Something like that, yes. Of course it would be more targeted and nuanced than you express it.

[San Lumen]

What are we going to do if current vaccines fail then? Keep on an off social distancing and ban fans at sporting events and not have live events anymore?

Something like that, yes. Of course it would be more targeted and nuanced than you express it.

How so?

[Shrillland]

Ironically, the vaccine race is being somewhat slowed down. The horse in the lead, the Oxford Vaccine, is now possibly going to be less than ideal, ironically because Covid cases have been falling so fast in the UK that they can't do a proper study: https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-scientists-working-coronavirus-vaccine-100847254.html

What are we going to do if current vaccines fail then? Keep on an off social distancing and ban fans at sporting events and not have live events anymore?

No, we'll have to do what they did in the old days and have localised lockdowns that last maybe 6-8 weeks when an outbreak occurs. By the time we know whether the vaccines work or don't, contact tracing will be commonplace and most people will be able to tell where they went and who they contacted, so that will limit who actually gets quarantined outside of an area to individuals or single households.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Too much stupid. Wanna take a bet on how many of them catch CoVID19 in the coming weeks?

Waaaay too many, that's for sure. Specially when Buenos Aires is still the epicenter of the virus' spread here and daily cases have been increasing.

I really don’t feel bad anymore when people like that end up sick with the virus.

[Estanglia]

What I think is most likely is that we'll get a treatment by winter, and a vaccine sometime next year. But, whilst I would like a vaccine before the end of the year, I don't want a vaccine to be rushed to preempt winter, only for flaws to appear somewhere and make the rushing either pointless or counterproductive.

On the possible development of treatment first I dare say you’re spot on. The reason why the vaccine coming out by early next year needs to be taken with caution is because there have been trials for other vaccines that have shown a lot of promise on the early trial stages only to fail later on. So, be cautiously optimistic just in case the trials fail now.

What I think is most likely is that we'll get a treatment by winter, and a vaccine sometime next year. But, whilst I would like a vaccine before the end of the year, I don't want a vaccine to be rushed to preempt winter, only for flaws to appear somewhere and make the rushing either pointless or counterproductive.

Ironically, the vaccine race is being somewhat slowed down. The horse in the lead, the Oxford Vaccine, is now possibly going to be less than ideal, ironically because Covid cases have been falling so fast in the UK that they can't do a proper study: https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-scientists-working-coronavirus-vaccine-100847254.html

What I think is most likely is that we'll get a treatment by winter, and a vaccine sometime next year. But, whilst I would like a vaccine before the end of the year, I don't want a vaccine to be rushed to preempt winter, only for flaws to appear somewhere and make the rushing either pointless or counterproductive.

I am very cautious about a vaccine being available next year. The fastest developed vaccine in history was for Ebola and that took five years.

Average vaccine development is 10.7 years.

Fair points from all three of you. I'm not sure how much time that the skipped measures for Coronavirus vaccines have cut off, so I'll change it to 2021 is my most optimistic prediction.

Even if a vaccine doesn't come until 2022 or beyond, I hope we get good enough treatments so that life can largely resume as normal (with the exception of the vulnerable potentially receiving additional protection if it's still needed, and maybe periodic lockdowns/restrictions in areas that still need them even with treatments).

[Fartsniffage]

Something like that, yes. Of course it would be more targeted and nuanced than you express it.

How so?

Restrictions will be based on how the virus is doing in different areas. Higher R number then more restrictions, lower R number makes for lower levels of restrictions.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

On the possible development of treatment first I dare say you’re spot on. The reason why the vaccine coming out by early next year needs to be taken with caution is because there have been trials for other vaccines that have shown a lot of promise on the early trial stages only to fail later on. So, be cautiously optimistic just in case the trials fail now.

Ironically, the vaccine race is being somewhat slowed down. The horse in the lead, the Oxford Vaccine, is now possibly going to be less than ideal, ironically because Covid cases have been falling so fast in the UK that they can't do a proper study: https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-scientists-working-coronavirus-vaccine-100847254.html

I am very cautious about a vaccine being available next year. The fastest developed vaccine in history was for Ebola and that took five years.

Average vaccine development is 10.7 years.

Fair points from all three of you. I'm not sure how much time that the skipped measures for Coronavirus vaccines have cut off, so I'll change it to 2021 is my most optimistic prediction.

Even if a vaccine doesn't come until 2022 or beyond, I hope we get good enough treatments so that life can largely resume as normal (with the exception of the vulnerable potentially receiving additional protection if it's still needed, and maybe periodic lockdowns/restrictions in areas that still need them even with treatments).

The vulnerable population aren't going to continue the measures that they've been told to follow in the UK for much longer if my parents are anything to go by. My mother is losing her mind.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

On the possible development of treatment first I dare say you’re spot on. The reason why the vaccine coming out by early next year needs to be taken with caution is because there have been trials for other vaccines that have shown a lot of promise on the early trial stages only to fail later on. So, be cautiously optimistic just in case the trials fail now.

Ironically, the vaccine race is being somewhat slowed down. The horse in the lead, the Oxford Vaccine, is now possibly going to be less than ideal, ironically because Covid cases have been falling so fast in the UK that they can't do a proper study: https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-scientists-working-coronavirus-vaccine-100847254.html

I am very cautious about a vaccine being available next year. The fastest developed vaccine in history was for Ebola and that took five years.

Average vaccine development is 10.7 years.

Fair points from all three of you. I'm not sure how much time that the skipped measures for Coronavirus vaccines have cut off, so I'll change it to 2021 is my most optimistic prediction.

Even if a vaccine doesn't come until 2022 or beyond, I hope we get good enough treatments so that life can largely resume as normal (with the exception of the vulnerable potentially receiving additional protection if it's still needed).

I was pondering and I hope my posts didn’t come across as criticism of yours. They weren’t. I don’t want to come across as disparaging of your optimism either. I do hope your take is the right one. Just being overly cautious so I don’t get disappointed if the trials fail.

[San Lumen]

On the possible development of treatment first I dare say you’re spot on. The reason why the vaccine coming out by early next year needs to be taken with caution is because there have been trials for other vaccines that have shown a lot of promise on the early trial stages only to fail later on. So, be cautiously optimistic just in case the trials fail now.

Ironically, the vaccine race is being somewhat slowed down. The horse in the lead, the Oxford Vaccine, is now possibly going to be less than ideal, ironically because Covid cases have been falling so fast in the UK that they can't do a proper study: https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-scientists-working-coronavirus-vaccine-100847254.html

I am very cautious about a vaccine being available next year. The fastest developed vaccine in history was for Ebola and that took five years.

Average vaccine development is 10.7 years.

Fair points from all three of you. I'm not sure how much time that the skipped measures for Coronavirus vaccines have cut off, so I'll change it to 2021 is my most optimistic prediction.

Even if a vaccine doesn't come until 2022 or beyond, I hope we get good enough treatments so that life can largely resume as normal (with the exception of the vulnerable potentially receiving additional protection if it's still needed, and maybe periodic lockdowns/restrictions in areas that still need them even with treatments).

I think we will get a treatment which would render most if not all measures no longer needed.

So you no longer think that video I provided you a link to will largely become reality?

[Liriena]

Waaaay too many, that's for sure. Specially when Buenos Aires is still the epicenter of the virus' spread here and daily cases have been increasing.

I really don’t feel bad anymore when people like that end up sick with the virus.

They're doing everything in their power to earn our schadenfreude, that's for sure.

[Estanglia]

Come on Argieland, don’t take a page out of moronic US history, please.

I'm so tired of my own social class.

And much like their moronic American peers, some of these people were anti-vaxxers and NWO conspiracy theorists.

Wow.

Can we make a word for all these idiots that are just helping to spread this virus and ironically continuing and justifying the measures they defy/oppose? Idiot doesn't feel good enough.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I really don’t feel bad anymore when people like that end up sick with the virus.

They're doing everything in their power to earn our schadenfreude, that's for sure.

Absolutely.

[Shrillland]

Fair points from all three of you. I'm not sure how much time that the skipped measures for Coronavirus vaccines have cut off, so I'll change it to 2021 is my most optimistic prediction.

Even if a vaccine doesn't come until 2022 or beyond, I hope we get good enough treatments so that life can largely resume as normal (with the exception of the vulnerable potentially receiving additional protection if it's still needed, and maybe periodic lockdowns/restrictions in areas that still need them even with treatments).

The vulnerable population aren't going to continue the measures that they've been told to follow in the UK for much longer if my parents are anything to go by. My mother is losing her mind.

Fatigue will set in, what we saw down in the Ozarks this weekend's proof of that. Soon, it'll be only a fairly small number of people still doing their best, and that's mostly because it'll be cripplingly shy introverts like myself who don't mind being at home all that much.

[Shrillland]

I'm so tired of my own social class.

And much like their moronic American peers, some of these people were anti-vaxxers and NWO conspiracy theorists.

Wow.

Can we make a word for all these idiots that are just helping to spread this virus and ironically continuing and justifying the measures they defy/oppose? Idiot doesn't feel good enough.

We've got plenty of phrases already, Covid rats would be a modern spin, I suppose.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm so tired of my own social class.

And much like their moronic American peers, some of these people were anti-vaxxers and NWO conspiracy theorists.

Wow.

Can we make a word for all these idiots that are just helping to spread this virus and ironically continuing and justifying the measures they defy/oppose? Idiot doesn't feel good enough.

In Spanish we call them “pendejos”.

[San Lumen]

I'm so tired of my own social class.

And much like their moronic American peers, some of these people were anti-vaxxers and NWO conspiracy theorists.

Wow.

Can we make a word for all these idiots that are just helping to spread this virus and ironically continuing and justifying the measures they defy/oppose? Idiot doesn't feel good enough.

They will have to end eventually whether the government wants them to or not

[Estanglia]

Fair points from all three of you. I'm not sure how much time that the skipped measures for Coronavirus vaccines have cut off, so I'll change it to 2021 is my most optimistic prediction.

Even if a vaccine doesn't come until 2022 or beyond, I hope we get good enough treatments so that life can largely resume as normal (with the exception of the vulnerable potentially receiving additional protection if it's still needed).

I was pondering and I hope my posts didn’t come across as criticism of yours. They weren’t. I don’t want to come across as disparaging of your optimism either. I do hope your take is the right one. Just being overly cautious so I don’t get disappointed if the trials fail.

They aren't coming across like that. I'm still optimistic that a working vaccine comes out sooner (late 2020/2021) rather than later (2022 and beyond), but I'd rather that optimism not blind me to the possibility that we don't see a vaccine for a while.

I want my optimism to be right, but I don't want to be so optimistic to the point where not getting a vaccine sooner rather than later is a massive disappointment.

[Liriena]

Wow.

Can we make a word for all these idiots that are just helping to spread this virus and ironically continuing and justifying the measures they defy/oppose? Idiot doesn't feel good enough.

In Spanish we call them “pendejos”.

I like "mononeuronales" myself.

[Estanglia]

Fair points from all three of you. I'm not sure how much time that the skipped measures for Coronavirus vaccines have cut off, so I'll change it to 2021 is my most optimistic prediction.

Even if a vaccine doesn't come until 2022 or beyond, I hope we get good enough treatments so that life can largely resume as normal (with the exception of the vulnerable potentially receiving additional protection if it's still needed, and maybe periodic lockdowns/restrictions in areas that still need them even with treatments).

I think we will get a treatment which would render most if not all measures no longer needed.

So you no longer think that video I provided you a link to will largely become reality?

I didn't think it would in the first place, because for that video to happen so much would have to go right/wrong perfectly.

Still, I hope that we don't get to the point where the choice is that or large numbers of dead.

[San Lumen]

I think we will get a treatment which would render most if not all measures no longer needed.

So you no longer think that video I provided you a link to will largely become reality?

I didn't think it would in the first place, because for that video to happen so much would have to go right/wrong perfectly.

Still, I hope that we don't get to the point where the choice is that or large numbers of dead.

It would never happen. Thats not a world many people would want or accept

[Liriena]

Wow.

Can we make a word for all these idiots that are just helping to spread this virus and ironically continuing and justifying the measures they defy/oppose? Idiot doesn't feel good enough.

They will have to end eventually whether the government wants them to or not

Eventually, yes. Preferably when we aren't facing an outbreak that could collapse our healthcare system and decimate our aging population. Over 20% of the population of Buenos Aires would be at serious risk if we didn't keep the outbreak in check.

[Rojava Free State]

They will have to end eventually whether the government wants them to or not

Eventually, yes. Preferably when we aren't facing an outbreak that could collapse our healthcare system and decimate our aging population. Over 20% of the population of Buenos Aires would be at serious risk if we didn't keep the outbreak in check.

That many people?