The Future of China

[Shanghai industrial complex]

China will become part of the Evil Empire ruled by Empress Kim Yo-jong in form of an absolute totalitarian monarchy.

Those who refuse to submit to her will be destroyed in horrible biomechanical experimentation which will also lead to the creation of new cyborg technologies and unspeakable horrors.

Maybe you got it wrong who is the master.But it doesn't matter. It's not a problem

[Aikoriland]

Stolen ideas and cheap inferior knockoffs of Japanese, Taiwanese, American, and European inventions are not real innovation.

it says nothing about stolen ideas or inferior quality from the source

contrary to popular opinion, China has always been one of the world's greatest invention-making civilisations

it has been this way since the ancient days and the chances are good that in the future, China will invent more things

[Washington Resistance Army]

Quality?
Technology? Well, they do an amazing job at stealing Japanese, Taiwanese, American, and European tech, I will give them that.

China is making lots of technological advances, take a look at this link for example:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/28-incredible-made-in-china-innovations-that-are-changing-the-world/ss-BBRWnlD#image=1

Lots of Chinese inventions in 2020 alone.

Yeah like Heloin said a lot of these aren't very impressive, some of them are actively stupid and the actually impressive ones aren't unique to only China and are being worked on by pretty much everyone everywhere.

[Vivolkha]

Just how many times the downfall of the CCP has been wrongly predicted?

No communist regime, in human history, has fallen because of internal revolution without the system being dismantled by the Communist Party in question itself (USSR), or without being beholden to another communist country where the Communist Party did so (all of communist Eastern Europe and Africa), or without being flat-out invaded by another country (Grenada).

The possibility of internal revolution in China, or any other current communist regime for that matter, is extremely unlikely in the short- and even mid-term.

Romania.

Ultimately linked to the self-dismantling of the USSR and subsequently of communism in Eastern Europe, despite the claims of a politically independent course in Romania.

I believe that China will come out of its current issues stronger than ever.

It has the population, it has the economy, it has the production.

I have also heard that Russia and China are jointly operating a few oil pipelines. There will be great economic cooperation between China and Russia in addition to China and the USA. This should bring in lots of money and opportunities for the Chinese people.

For Russia, definitely not. The oil deal between China and Russia is basically China trolling a Russia desperate for allies and good press after invading Crimea and the terms of the deal are extremely favorable to China.

Quoting this for you Kefkashroom.

I don't believe Vietnam and India can replace the People's Republic as the world's workshop.

They are still far behind and they do not have that perfect balance that China has between cheap labour, quality, political stability and technology. I mean just look at the GDPs, the gap is huge.

Maybe in a few decades but by then China will have developed even more power to create new specialisations with respect to the world economy. For the foreseeable future, the USA-China economic trade and focus is still going to be the centre of the world economy.

I mean, if you are comparing the absolute GDP of a country with 1.4 billion people with Vietnam, whose population is 95.5 million...

Vietnam is growing really quickly, it may eventually catch up with China in terms of development in the mid-term, but not in terms of global influence for what I hope are obvious reasons.

[Rojava Free State]

it says nothing about stolen ideas or inferior quality from the source

contrary to popular opinion, China has always been one of the world's greatest invention-making civilisations

it has been this way since the ancient days and the chances are good that in the future, China will invent more things

To be fair, he is right. Just because the CCP steals ideas doesn't mean China doesn't have a history of innovation and advancement.

It isn't like Chinese people were just living in huts throwing spears in 1200.

[Aikoriland]

To be fair, he is right. Just because the CCP steals ideas doesn't mean China doesn't have a history of innovation and advancement.

It isn't like Chinese people were just living in huts throwing spears in 1200.

Yeah, but it's not what they are doing now.

[Infected Mushroom]

it says nothing about stolen ideas or inferior quality from the source

contrary to popular opinion, China has always been one of the world's greatest invention-making civilisations

it has been this way since the ancient days and the chances are good that in the future, China will invent more things

China has a long history of inventing things. For example, take a look at this source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... inventions

[Aikoriland]

China has a long history of inventing things. For example, take a look at this source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... inventions

Yeah, in the past. Now they mostly just steal ideas

[Heloin]

Romania.

Ultimately linked to the self-dismantling of the USSR and subsequently of communism in Eastern Europe, despite the claims of a politically independent course in Romania.

Nothing happens independently of the rest of the world aside from the daily happenings of North Sentinel Island. Your claim that no communist regime in human history fell do to internal revolution is just flatly false and I'd add the fall of the Soviet Union into that category as well.

[Rojava Free State]

To be fair, he is right. Just because the CCP steals ideas doesn't mean China doesn't have a history of innovation and advancement.

It isn't like Chinese people were just living in huts throwing spears in 1200.

Yeah, but it's not what they are doing now.

You are right about that, I'm just saying they do have that history.

I'm sure all those years of a command economy under Mao didn't help them keep up with the rest of the world.

[Nakena]

China will become part of the Evil Empire ruled by Empress Kim Yo-jong in form of an absolute totalitarian monarchy.

Those who refuse to submit to her will be destroyed in horrible biomechanical experimentation which will also lead to the creation of new cyborg technologies and unspeakable horrors.

Maybe you got it wrong who is the master.But it doesn't matter. It's not a problem

Perhaps you got it wrong who the mistress will be. Unless China produces a similar counterpart that is.

Because Xi is plain zero. A deformed non-human with no energy. A low energy person.

Meanwhile she has a lot of energy. Dark energy. Or rather it flows through her. Shes a vehicle for yin, the dark female energy.

Those technical gadgets might be impressive, but do never underestimate the power of the force. ^^

[Infected Mushroom]

China has a long history of inventing things. For example, take a look at this source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... inventions

Yeah, in the past. Now they mostly just steal ideas

the modern economy is so interconnected that it is possible to take existing ideas and improve upon them to create inventions

[Aikoriland]

Yeah, in the past. Now they mostly just steal ideas

the modern economy is so interconnected that it is possible to take existing ideas and improve upon them to create inventions

With the PRC it is almost always either an exact copy or a cheap inferior knockoff

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

I'm guessing that the ROC is keeping their claims, because they do not want to be perceived as too weak or giving in to the demands of others. It's at least a democratic and friendly, non-manipulative state, hence my high hopes for them.

His democratic history is not long.Of course, Taiwan is now a democracy.But friendly, non-manipulative state,It's better to have a good look at what they've done
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)

（Before being defeated by the CCP, ROC really occupied these islands. At that time, Southeast Asian countries were not independent. So no one has any objection）

I said now, not in the past. That was back when the Kuomintang were way more authoritarian. Look at who rules Taiwan now. And your statement about the independence of SE Asian countries is wrong. The Philippines, Indonesia, Burma, Vietnam and Thailand were all independent before the White Terror began.

So yeah, I object.

[Valentine Z]

Will it be naive for me to believe that CCP's days are indeed numbered? Sure, it is a majority as of now, and I am not calling anyone else naive, let me preface that. ^^

Maybe naive is a wrong choice of words. Is it too optimistic for me to believe that China will clean up their act and starts complying to whatever demands that the rest of the world has asked of them, e.g. better work environment, a little less corruption, a little stricter standards, and everything else?

As optimistic as I am, I have a nagging feeling that CCP will do what CCP does best (or worst), and the world will be none the wiser once this COVID situation passes.

(I really do want CCP to start complying and being less dictatorial, all things considered. Not really a fan of those things.)

/ $0.02

[Albrenia]

It's not like there's inherently anything about being Chinese which makes them innovating impossible or even less likely, I just think that the nation's current culture of stealing other people's ideas and totalitarian government does, at least somewhat, quash the inventive spark of many in it.

So if I were a betting man, my money would not be on the Chinese to win an innovation contest at this time.

[Infected Mushroom]

the modern economy is so interconnected that it is possible to take existing ideas and improve upon them to create inventions

With the PRC it is almost always either an exact copy or a cheap inferior knockoff

This is not true, consider this:

A Brief List of Recent Chinese Innovation

In 2015, Chinese engineers announced the world’s first quantum communications network, a 2,000 kilometer system linking Beijing and Shanghai with data transmission encoded by quantum key distribution. In August of 2016 China launched the world’s first quantum communications satellite, and succeeded in test communication with the country’s existing ground stations. In September of 2016, Chinese scientists achieved the world’s first quantum teleportation between independent sources, delivering quantum information enciphered in photons between two locations.

In 2014, researchers at Nankai University in Tianjin developed a car with a working brain-control unit, with sensors that capture brain signals permitting humans to control the automobile with their minds. In 2016 China launched a fully-operational space lab to conduct the first ever brain-machine interaction experiments in space. Chinese scientists believe brain-computer interaction will eventually be the highest form of human-machine communication, having developed this process much farther than any Western nation and holding nearly 100 patents.

In 2015, high school students from Tianjin won an International gold medal for the creation of a microbe biological battery. Such attempts in the past have failed due to poor performance and limited usefulness, but these students conceived the idea of combining several types of bacteria into one biological power cell, with each bacterium having specialised responsibilities based on its own unique functions. Their tiny multi-bacteria cell reached over 520 mV, and lasted over 80 hours. Scaled up, their biological battery was able to generate as much power as a lithium battery, with a much longer life and producing no pollution. These are Chinese high school kids.

In 2015 Chinese scientists succeeded in modifying a human embryo to permit the changes to persist through future generations, something that had never been accomplished before, to alter human DNA for removal of dangerous or undesired genes from future generations. Chinese researchers are developing the technology and processes to make 3D-printed skin a reality, custom-made skin for burn patients, printed according to their wounds. The country leads the world in cat-scan technology, in DNA mapping and synthesising, and many medical fields such as laser eye surgery and cornea transplants.

In May of 2019, a Chinese start-up launched a revolutionary AI chip with the computing power of eight NVIDIA P4 servers but up to five times faster, with half the size and 20% of the energy consumption, and costing 50% less to manufacture. Shanghai’s Fudan University developed a transistor based on two-dimensional molybdic sulfide, meaning computing and data storage happen together in a single cell, perhaps eliminating silicon-based chips which are at their limit. DJI Technology, founded by a Chinese university student, has become in only a few years the global market leader in small consumer drones, and already attracting American sanctions for being too successful in an area the US wants to control. The country produces nearly 40% of the world’s robots, with vastly improved core technologies, and is the world leader in 5-G technology.

Chinese engineers created a supercomputer seven times faster than America’s Oak Ridge installation, the first in the world to achieve speeds beyond 100 PetaFlops, powered by a Chinese-developed multi-core CPU and Chinese software, while displacing the US with the most supercomputers in the top 500. Upon the revelation of China’s super-fast supercomputer, authorities reported the NSA had launched hundreds of thousands of hacking attacks, looking to steal the technology for China’s new microprocessors.

China’s megaproject engineering skills are already legendary, with the longest sea bridges, the longest tunnels, the largest deep-water ports. China has built the world’s longest and highest glass bridge in Zhangjiajie, hanging between two steep cliffs 300 meters above the ground, and which set 10 world records spanning its design and construction. The Three Gorges Dam is the world’s largest, with 5-tier ship locks which can contain the world’s largest ships, and also a shiplift for smaller vessels which is the largest and most sophisticated in the world. China has formulated plans to build an electron collider, four times as long (100 Kms) and operating at more than seven times the energy capacity of the European CERN. In 2015, Chinese scientists completed the 500-meter radio telescope, by far the largest in the world with more than ten times the area of the American installation in Puerto Rico.

In 2014, architects in Amsterdam began work on what was to be the world’s first completely 3D-printed house, a costly enterprise requiring three years. At exactly the same time in Shanghai, a Chinese company completed ten 3D-printed houses in less than a day, at a cost of less than $5,000 each, using recycled construction and industrial scrap as the ‘ink’. I have seen these homes; large, elegant, multi-story European-styled structures, and so sturdy they can withstand earthquakes up to level 8 on the Richter scale.

We know about China’s fabulous high-speed trains, but few outside China are aware of the intense high quality of the HSR network, built with the highest standards in the modern world, including stability. When traveling by train I sometimes place a coin on its edge on the windowsill, and I have video of the coin remaining stable for four or five minutes before it finally falls over – and this is at 300 Kms per hour. Shanghai has a high-speed Maglev train (430 Kms/hr), while many cities have low-speed Maglevs (200 Kms/hr), and Chinese engineers are ready to produce commercially a 600 Km/hr Maglev. The same pace of development is true of the nation’s urban subway systems. I have lost the source for these figures, but the city of London needed 147 years to build 408 Kms. of subway lines, New York City 106 years for 370 Kms., Paris 110 years for 215 Kms, while Shanghai needed only 20 years to build 500 Kms.

It has escaped attention that these achievements were not sudden, but developed from a deliberate plan in execution for 30 years, though it is only recently that many of these efforts are bearing fruit. More importantly, China accomplished this from a third-world industrial base while under a total Western embargo on technology transfer. Chinese scientists have developed nuclear energy plants, put men into space, photographed the entire surface of the moon, built a space station, designed and launched a private GPS system. We have Chinese-designed and built deep-sea submersibles, and the country is rapidly developing its own aircraft industry. Today, with its science and technological base so much more advanced, and with education spending increasing at nearly 10% per year, and very high R&D expenditures, invention and innovation can only increase.

^

https://www.globalresearch.ca/history-o ... ns/5692922

Also, this is very relevant to the point you're trying to make:

One of the most persistent myths propagated about China, a claim without a shred of supporting evidence, is that Chinese lack creativity and innovation due to flaws in their educational system. We have seen the accusations hundreds of times: China’s educational system teaches only rote memory while stifling innovation, the Chinese unable to conceptualise or innovate, knowing only how to achieve high test scores but not how to think. Here is Carly Fiorina speaking, the former CEO of H-P: “I’ve been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate. They’re not terribly imaginative. They’re not entrepreneurial. They don’t innovate. That’s why they’re stealing our intellectual property … innovation and entrepreneurship are not their strong suits. Their society, as well as their educational system, is too homogenized and controlled to encourage imagination …” (7) The claim is complete rubbish for more reasons than I have room to account here.

In 2015, Eva Dou reported in the Wall Street Journal of a study by McKinsey who claimed that China had made all the “easy” innovations, like making products better and cheaper, but that “the country has limited success stories in ‘more challenging’ types of innovation that rely on scientific or engineering breakthroughs.” McKinsey’s conclusions are not supported by the evidence listed here. (8)

[Aikoriland]

It's not like there's inherently anything about being Chinese which makes them innovating impossible or even less likely, I just think that the nation's current culture of stealing other people's ideas and totalitarian government does, at least somewhat, quash the inventive spark of many in it.

So if I were a betting man, my money would not be on the Chinese to win an innovation contest at this time.

If you want really amazing innovation, look at Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Israel, Sweden, Finland, and the USA.

[Infected Mushroom]

It's not like there's inherently anything about being Chinese which makes them innovating impossible or even less likely, I just think that the nation's current culture of stealing other people's ideas and totalitarian government does, at least somewhat, quash the inventive spark of many in it.

So if I were a betting man, my money would not be on the Chinese to win an innovation contest at this time.

This is not supported by the facts, see my source above

[Valentine Z]

It's not like there's inherently anything about being Chinese which makes them innovating impossible or even less likely, I just think that the nation's current culture of stealing other people's ideas and totalitarian government does, at least somewhat, quash the inventive spark of many in it.

So if I were a betting man, my money would not be on the Chinese to win an innovation contest at this time.

If you want really amazing innovation, look at Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Israel, Sweden, Finland, and the USA.

To sidetrack a little, fun fact: Made in Germany used to be a negative branding in Britain (and a few other European nations) in order to weed out foreign products that are usually inferior. Germany broke that trend and their products, however, turned out to be pretty darn good!

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Going back to China, I do believe that like Albrenia said, China can and did innovations before if you look at its history (papermaking, the compass, gunpowder, and printing, for instance). Unfortunately... those were the heydays before the totalitarian government took over.

They do have a thing going on now and then, though.

[Aikoriland]

If you want really amazing innovation, look at Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Israel, Sweden, Finland, and the USA.

To sidetrack a little, fun fact: Made in Germany used to be a negative branding in Britain (and a few other European nations) in order to weed out foreign products that are usually inferior. Germany broke that trend and their products, however, turned out to be pretty darn good!

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Going back to China, I do believe that like Albrenia said, China can and did innovations before if you look at its history (papermaking, the compass, gunpowder, and printing, for instance). Unfortunately... those were the heydays before the totalitarian government took over.

Yeah, I never denied that the Chinese were pretty creative in the past. It's just that in the present the vast majority of their "inventions" are just copies or cheap inferior knockoffs of non-Chinese products.

[Valentine Z]

To sidetrack a little, fun fact: Made in Germany used to be a negative branding in Britain (and a few other European nations) in order to weed out foreign products that are usually inferior. Germany broke that trend and their products, however, turned out to be pretty darn good!

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Going back to China, I do believe that like Albrenia said, China can and did innovations before if you look at its history (papermaking, the compass, gunpowder, and printing, for instance). Unfortunately... those were the heydays before the totalitarian government took over.

Yeah, I never denied that the Chinese were pretty creative in the past. It's just that in the present the vast majority of their "inventions" are just copies or cheap inferior knockoffs of non-Chinese products.

That is unfortunately true. The "Made in China" trope is so ingrained in our minds now that even if China did make something that is pretty decent and nice (and they have, I agree ^^), you just can't shake off that feeling.

(Please do pardon me if I am veering away from the thread; I haven't NSG in a loooong while.)

[Shanghai industrial complex]

To be fair, he is right. Just because the CCP steals ideas doesn't mean China doesn't have a history of innovation and advancement.

It isn't like Chinese people were just living in huts throwing spears in 1200.

Yeah, but it's not what they are doing now.

Yes, need you to convince Trump.Tell him that Huawei, Dajiang and other companies' technologies are all fake.Let Huawei 5g enter the US market.Why do you care so much about Third World copycat companies,Trump?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

If you want really amazing innovation, look at Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Israel, Sweden, Finland, and the USA.

To sidetrack a little, fun fact: Made in Germany used to be a negative branding in Britain (and a few other European nations) in order to weed out foreign products that are usually inferior. Germany broke that trend and their products, however, turned out to be pretty darn good!

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Going back to China, I do believe that like Albrenia said, China can and did innovations before if you look at its history (papermaking, the compass, gunpowder, and printing, for instance). Unfortunately... those were the heydays before the totalitarian government took over.

They do have a thing going on now and then, though.

I remember when Made in Taiwan, Made in Korea, and Made in Japan were all meant an inferior knock off. Even the USA began by stealing ideas and producing inferior knock offs.

There is no reason the Chinese cannot do what the Japanese did and use it as a springboard for their own innovation. The main obstacle was always that in China there was no benefit to an individual if they invented something. That has changed.

China will start outstripping the US in important areas of technological development, particularly AI, in a couple of years.

A vague belief that China somehow is incapable of innovation just leads to being caught out because of your own complacency.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Yeah, but it's not what they are doing now.

You are right about that, I'm just saying they do have that history.

I'm sure all those years of a command economy under Mao didn't help them keep up with the rest of the world.

If you are blocked by the whole world, you can't develop economy.During that period, the greatest wealth brought to China was nuclear bomb, space program, complete independence and dignity.There were many military conflicts between China and the Soviet Union or the United States.Since then, China has been able to talk to the Soviet Union and the United States equally.What other country can do?It's unfair to see things in the cold war from the current perspective