RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Heresy!

There are not enough shrines, not enough images of Our Lady.

Dios te Salve Maria tu eres de gracia el senyor es contigo.

[Fahran]

Their reasons for enlisting and dying were complicated and ranged from idealistic students who were enthusiastic to older more weary pilots who recognized the futility and even those who were plainly coerced. One pilot declared that he was dying for his wife, not the Emperor. In some private letters, pilots harshly criticized the government for putting them in the position.

They all had their own motives and shouldn't be dismissed as mere robots.

I believe this. I really need to read these letters but I'm not ready to be sad today.

[Novus America]

Kamikaze Pilots: brainwashed fanatics or misunderstood heroes?

Their reasons for enlisting and dying were complicated and ranged from idealistic students who were enthusiastic to older more weary pilots who recognized the futility and even those who were plainly coerced. One pilot declared that he was dying for his wife, not the Emperor. In some private letters, pilots harshly criticized the government for putting them in the position.

They all had their own motives and shouldn't be dismissed as mere robots.

This is a fair point.

[Bienenhalde]

I believe the Great War served to reshape the relationship between man and violence in a way that often goes unappreciated outside of academic circles today. A lot of the luster that had clung to the idea of war throughout the classical and medieval periods began to crack around the time artillery and accurate rifles became the go-to tools of the battlefield. That's not especially surprising given that the Iliad seems to speak to the dual nature of war, even in antiquity, with heroism and loss intermingled. And this is made more poignant by Achilles's lament in the Odyssey that "it would be better to have been a tenant farmer than king of all these notable shades."

While Japan didn't experience this shift in the same way as Europe, I find it difficult to believe that the average person, or indeed even the average soldier, could not feel the pang of regret that comes with sitting in a hole or plane and waiting to die for a cause that has become hopeless would engender. To the Greeks, war was almost a sport. If your phalanx didn't break, very few people would die. If it did break and you ran away, at most, thirty percent of you and your brothers-in-arms might be killed. It was a contest of physique and will. With modern warfare, the casualties are truly horrendous. Hundreds if not thousands of people dying of disease, poison gas, chemical weapons, aerial bombings, artillery barrages - and, more, there's often nothing they personally can do about it. They can't even fool themselves into thinking they have control.

Modern industrialized warfare was a mistake.

[Diopolis]

There are not enough shrines, not enough images of Our Lady.

Dios te Salve Maria tu eres de gracia el senyor es contigo.

....
Are you from the Phillipines?

[Bienenhalde]

What Greek Speaking Empire was the best? Is it the Alexandrian or the Byzantine Empire?

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I personally lean Byzantine, Belisarius is among the greatest Tacticians I know, he only led paltry expeditionary forces but bascially reclaimed most of the Western Roman Empire.

Well, the Byzantines were the first great empire in history to have Christianity as their state religion, so I hold them in high regard for that reason.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Dios te Salve Maria tu eres de gracia el senyor es contigo.

....
Are you from the Phillipines?

It's me Metanoia, this is just my replacement nation after I got deleted following a feverish debate. Yes, I'm from there.

I know some Spanish BTW, the Spanish Hail Mary is somehow stuck in my head.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

What Greek Speaking Empire was the best? Is it the Alexandrian or the Byzantine Empire?

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I personally lean Byzantine, Belisarius is among the greatest Tacticians I know, he only led paltry expeditionary forces but bascially reclaimed most of the Western Roman Empire.

Well, the Byzantines were the first great empire in history to have Christianity as their state religion, so I hold them in high regard for that reason.

Armenia and Ethiopia would like to contest that.

[Bienenhalde]

Armenia and Ethiopia would like to contest that.

Do they count as empires, though? At any rate, the kingdoms of Armenia and Ethiopia were not nearly as large or powerful as Byzantium.

[Fahran]

Do they count as empires, though? At any rate, the kingdoms of Armenia and Ethiopia were not nearly as large or powerful as Byzantium.

The Ethiopians definitely had an empire and they grew quite powerful on multiple occasions, even invading Egypt and Yemen.

[Novus America]

I believe the Great War served to reshape the relationship between man and violence in a way that often goes unappreciated outside of academic circles today. A lot of the luster that had clung to the idea of war throughout the classical and medieval periods began to crack around the time artillery and accurate rifles became the go-to tools of the battlefield. That's not especially surprising given that the Iliad seems to speak to the dual nature of war, even in antiquity, with heroism and loss intermingled. And this is made more poignant by Achilles's lament in the Odyssey that "it would be better to have been a tenant farmer than king of all these notable shades."

While Japan didn't experience this shift in the same way as Europe, I find it difficult to believe that the average person, or indeed even the average soldier, could not feel the pang of regret that comes with sitting in a hole or plane and waiting to die for a cause that has become hopeless would engender. To the Greeks, war was almost a sport. If your phalanx didn't break, very few people would die. If it did break and you ran away, at most, thirty percent of you and your brothers-in-arms might be killed. It was a contest of physique and will. With modern warfare, the casualties are truly horrendous. Hundreds if not thousands of people dying of disease, poison gas, chemical weapons, aerial bombings, artillery barrages - and, more, there's often nothing they personally can do about it. They can't even fool themselves into thinking they have control.

Modern industrialized warfare was a mistake.

While certainly it has its downsides, it is unavoidable.

[Diopolis]

Armenia and Ethiopia would like to contest that.

Do they count as empires, though? At any rate, the kingdoms of Armenia and Ethiopia were not nearly as large or powerful as Byzantium.

Armenia was an empire for a few years before the birth of Christ; however, by the time of Christianization it was no longer a major power and went back and forth between Roman and Parthian orbit.
Ethiopia, on the other hand, was one of the most powerful states in the world, considered on par with Rome, China, and Persia.

[Novus America]

I kind of un ironically stan the Ethiopian Empire.
Not sure exactly why overall, although the Battle of Adwa was based.
Also fuck the Derg.

The current Ethiopia is just a another meh neoliberal de facto one party kleptocracy that sucks up to Xi too.
Boring.

[Cekoviu]

Kamikaze Pilots: brainwashed fanatics or misunderstood heroes?

yes

What Greek Speaking Empire was the best? Is it the Alexandrian or the Byzantine Empire?

(Image)

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I personally lean Byzantine, Belisarius is among the greatest Tacticians I know, he only led paltry expeditionary forces but bascially reclaimed most of the Western Roman Empire.

no empire that speaks greek could be considered "good" or "real"

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Their reasons for enlisting and dying were complicated and ranged from idealistic students who were enthusiastic to older more weary pilots who recognized the futility and even those who were plainly coerced. One pilot declared that he was dying for his wife, not the Emperor. In some private letters, pilots harshly criticized the government for putting them in the position.

They all had their own motives and shouldn't be dismissed as mere robots.

I believe this. I really need to read these letters but I'm not ready to be sad today.

http://www.kamikazeimages.net/writings/

Like Hana said the rationale behind Tokubetsu Kōgekitai personnel was really varied and encompassed all the human experience found in Japan in WWII.

For further reading about the Japanese in general in WWII, I would recommend very very highly Japan at War: An Oral History by Haruko Taya Cook & Theodore F. Cook (978-1565840393).

[Cisairse]

Was Rousseau just a goon

[North German Realm]

Lol the only part of 3rd Rome (Russia) actually connected to anything Roman/Greek (*ignores the fighting between the Latin Empire and Trebizond).

But the 3rd Rome was the Ottoman Empire...

There was only one Roman Empire, and it ceased to exist in 1806.

[State of Turelisa]

Sheep represent the faithful who obeyed God and devoted themselves to Him and were therefore truly holy. Goats represent people who through their actions were apparently good people and wrongly believed they were acting goodly, but because they were actually acting in direct opposition to God's commands, they were damned.

That's an extrapolation.

Both the Sheep and the Goats recognize who Jesus is, they believe in Him. The Goats don't understand what Jesus is saying when He says that they didn't help Him, because they would have helped Him if they saw the Son of God in need.

Your analysis of the text is wrong in saying that the "Goats" thought they were "acting" good, because it's clear from the text that they weren't acting at all. The issue here is their lack of action, their lack of good works, while also professing their belief in Christ who commanded them to do good works.

The "Sheep" believe in Christ just as much as the "Goats" do, and this is evident by the fact that their responses are the same as the "Goats". They are holier, yes, but their holiness comes from the fact that they acted on their faith and did what Christ commanded them to do; which was do good works.

I'm afraid this is the typical interpretation of the Christian mind which is encumbered with Catholic theology. My interpretation is the consensus among Protestant theologians.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast EPHESIANS 2:8-9.

[Salus Maior]

That's an extrapolation.

Both the Sheep and the Goats recognize who Jesus is, they believe in Him. The Goats don't understand what Jesus is saying when He says that they didn't help Him, because they would have helped Him if they saw the Son of God in need.

Your analysis of the text is wrong in saying that the "Goats" thought they were "acting" good, because it's clear from the text that they weren't acting at all. The issue here is their lack of action, their lack of good works, while also professing their belief in Christ who commanded them to do good works.

The "Sheep" believe in Christ just as much as the "Goats" do, and this is evident by the fact that their responses are the same as the "Goats". They are holier, yes, but their holiness comes from the fact that they acted on their faith and did what Christ commanded them to do; which was do good works.

I'm afraid this is the typical interpretation of the Christian mind which is encumbered with Catholic theology. My interpretation is the consensus among Protestant theologians.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast EPHESIANS 2:8-9.

I grew up Protestant, bud. I believed Protestant talking points and advocated for them for most of my life. And unless Arminians and New School theologians are suddenly not Protestant, then your assertion that this is a consensus among Protestants isn't accurate.

None of this is even a real counterpoint, it's a deflection. Where, for instance, is it implied that the "goats" believed that they were doing good works? And while you are correct that the "sheep" in the parable have greater devotion to Christ, that's because they acted on their faith and did what He commanded.

[State of Turelisa]

I'm afraid this is the typical interpretation of the Christian mind which is encumbered with Catholic theology. My interpretation is the consensus among Protestant theologians.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast EPHESIANS 2:8-9.

I grew up Protestant, bud. I believed Protestant talking points and advocated for them for most of my life. And unless Arminians and New School theologians are suddenly not Protestant, then your assertion that this is a consensus among Protestants isn't accurate.

None of this is even a real counterpoint, it's a deflection. Where, for instance, is it implied that the "goats" believed that they were doing good works? And while you are correct that the "sheep" in the parable have greater devotion to Christ, that's because they acted on their faith and did what He commanded.

You grew up Protestant? Calvin grew up Catholic before he converted to Protestantism in his adulthood.

You can't deny Ephesians 2:8-9 and the rest of the book isn't contradictory to the premise of unlimited atonement which is integral with Catholic theology or indeed any Christian theology which is not based on unconditional election and limited atonement. But it is denied, and it is denied by Churches which wish to propagate a version of Christianity that has popular appeal.

[Hanafuridake]

I can't meet the physical standards of a body pillow though.

All you need is more squish.

All this thread needs is divine fury.

[Cekoviu]

All you need is more squish.

All this thread needs is divine fury.

and all u need is love <3

[Northern Davincia]

Was Rousseau just a goon

Yes, he was the founder of Goonswarm.

[Nakena]

Was Rousseau just a goon

Yes, he was the founder of Goonswarm.

Thats something awful to say.

[The Village Green SSR]

Was Rousseau just a goon

Yes, he was the founder of Goonswarm.

I should've known that the AnCap was an EVE Online player. It all makes sense now. :^)