RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[The Reformed American Republic]

Bring back the "und doch" trend.

[Nakena]

Bring back the "und doch" trend.

Good times.

[Cekoviu]

Bring back the "und doch" trend.

no

although i must admit, i quite enjoyed the parody flags, such as my "und doot" and "und loch"

[Neanderthaland]

Bring back the "und doch" trend.

no

although i must admit, i quite enjoyed the parody flags, such as my "und doot" and "und loch"

"Und Doch on Me!"

[The Reformed American Republic]

Bring back the "und doch" trend.

no

although i must admit, i quite enjoyed the parody flags, such as my "und doot" and "und loch"

Und DEAT amused me, even though it was mockery.

[Cekoviu]

no

although i must admit, i quite enjoyed the parody flags, such as my "und doot" and "und loch"

"Und Doch on Me!"

[Northern Davincia]

"Und Doch on Me!"

I don't know how to feel about this.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Bring back the "und doch" trend.

Good times.

Nice. You made that?

[Fahran]

Since we're on the subject of drinking, I might try to dig up my old scrawlings on the importance of drinking in Anglophone cultures, beginning with Beowulf and going all the way to the modern American whiskey bar. I've actually been to a couple high-end watering holes and they're often pretty important places for socioeconomic elites to mingle and discuss business in a somewhat more casual setting. There's also the boys'/girls' night out and the parallels to earlier mead halls and such.

[Cekoviu]

Since we're on the subject of drinking, I might try to dig up my old scrawlings on the importance of drinking in Anglophone cultures, beginning with Beowulf and going all the way to the modern American whiskey bar. I've actually been to a couple high-end watering holes and they're often pretty important places for socioeconomic elites to mingle and discuss business in a somewhat more casual setting. There's also the boys'/girls' night out and the parallels to earlier mead halls and such.

why can't we have restaurants, juice bars, simple lounges, etc. replace those? i don't view alcohol as a necessity for that to occur and it does tons of harm in general

[Nakena]

Good times.

(Image)

Nice. You made that?

Yes. I made a few "Und Doch" related flags during the hype. Also this:

[Diopolis]

oh yeah, lockdown had me as a de facto teetotaller for a few weeks. then it got lifted - friends came over - tequila at 2pm - reenter addictive cycle

damn, it's always sad to see teetotalers turn back to the devil's soda

I mean, I'm now drinking much less than I was under the lockdown, so you have your victory.

[Cekoviu]

damn, it's always sad to see teetotalers turn back to the devil's soda

I mean, I'm now drinking much less than I was under the lockdown, so you have your victory.

baby steps!

[Fahran]

why can't we have restaurants, juice bars, simple lounges, etc. replace those? i don't view alcohol as a necessity for that to occur and it does tons of harm in general

Because the communal lowering of inhibitions allows for a particular sort of camaraderie that might be less likely to occur in its absence. Mind you, I'm not much of a drinker myself, mostly because I'm a super lightweight and don't want to fall asleep everywhere.

[South Odreria 2]

why can't we have restaurants, juice bars, simple lounges, etc. replace those? i don't view alcohol as a necessity for that to occur and it does tons of harm in general

Because the communal lowering of inhibitions allows for a particular sort of camaraderie that might be less likely to occur in its absence. Mind you, I'm not much of a drinker myself, mostly because I'm a super lightweight and don't want to fall asleep everywhere.

I doubt the socioeconomic elites aim to lower their inhibitions much

[Cekoviu]

why can't we have restaurants, juice bars, simple lounges, etc. replace those? i don't view alcohol as a necessity for that to occur and it does tons of harm in general

Because the communal lowering of inhibitions allows for a particular sort of camaraderie that might be less likely to occur in its absence. Mind you, I'm not much of a drinker myself, mostly because I'm a super lightweight and don't want to fall asleep everywhere.

perhaps, but the communal lowering of inhibitions also allows for sexual assault, liver damage, and deadly car crashes. why should we accept that these will occur with alarming frequency purely in order to facilitate the bourgeoisie's discussions of how best to exploit the working class?

[Fahran]

perhaps, but the communal lowering of inhibitions also allows for sexual assault, liver damage, and deadly car crashes.

Liver damage is the one issue that won't really be counteracted by cultural shifts towards moral responsibility. Teaching people about consent and about sexuality more generally has been shown to diminish the occurrence of sexual assault in college-aged men. Additionally, with services like Uber becoming more widely available, there are now alternatives to drunk driving - and, if we stigmatize the tough guy "I'm okay to drive" attitude a little bit more, a lot of the harm can be mitigated.

why should we accept that these will occur with alarming frequency purely in order to facilitate the bourgeoisie's discussions of how best to exploit the working class?

Because Dionysus will wreak havoc on us if we shun him.

[Cekoviu]

perhaps, but the communal lowering of inhibitions also allows for sexual assault, liver damage, and deadly car crashes.

Liver damage is the one issue that won't really be counteracted by cultural shifts towards moral responsibility. Teaching people about consent and about sexuality more generally has been shown to diminish the occurrence of sexual assault in college-aged men. Additionally, with services like Uber becoming more widely available, there are now alternatives to drunk driving - and, if we stigmatize the tough guy "I'm okay to drive" attitude a little bit more, a lot of the harm can be mitigated.

yes, teaching people about consent reduces the occurrence of sexual assault when a person is sober or otherwise working at full capacity, but the point of drinking is that it weakens boundaries and inhibits proper decision-making. the kind of person who would have a tough guy "i'm okay to drive" attitude is likely not going to be receptive to shaming -- look at how defensive that type of man gets when anyone brings up the phrase "toxic masculinity" and think about how you'd manage to get them to not be overconfident in their driving abilities

why should we accept that these will occur with alarming frequency purely in order to facilitate the bourgeoisie's discussions of how best to exploit the working class?

Because Dionysus will wreak havoc on us if we shun him.

imagine believing in gr**co-roman paganism in 2020, even ironically. smdh fahran, you're better than this

[Diopolis]

I mean, I'm now drinking much less than I was under the lockdown, so you have your victory.

baby steps!

Oh, I'm not going to completely stop drinking.

[Cekoviu]

baby steps!

Oh, I'm not going to completely stop drinking.

dw i'll keep wearing you down as much as i can bb

[Diopolis]

Liver damage is the one issue that won't really be counteracted by cultural shifts towards moral responsibility. Teaching people about consent and about sexuality more generally has been shown to diminish the occurrence of sexual assault in college-aged men. Additionally, with services like Uber becoming more widely available, there are now alternatives to drunk driving - and, if we stigmatize the tough guy "I'm okay to drive" attitude a little bit more, a lot of the harm can be mitigated.

yes, teaching people about consent reduces the occurrence of sexual assault when a person is sober or otherwise working at full capacity, but the point of drinking is that it weakens boundaries and inhibits proper decision-making.

So men and women should drink separately.

The kind of person who would have a tough guy "i'm okay to drive" attitude is likely not going to be receptive to shaming -- look at how defensive that type of man gets when anyone brings up the phrase "toxic masculinity" and think about how you'd manage to get them to not be overconfident in their driving abilities

By relocating drinking from bars to private homes, that's how.

[Diopolis]

Oh, I'm not going to completely stop drinking.

dw i'll keep wearing you down as much as i can bb

Nah. I just had a glass of wine with lunch. Delicious.

[Cekoviu]

yes, teaching people about consent reduces the occurrence of sexual assault when a person is sober or otherwise working at full capacity, but the point of drinking is that it weakens boundaries and inhibits proper decision-making.

So men and women should drink separately.

except how do you deal with homo- and bisexuals

The kind of person who would have a tough guy "i'm okay to drive" attitude is likely not going to be receptive to shaming -- look at how defensive that type of man gets when anyone brings up the phrase "toxic masculinity" and think about how you'd manage to get them to not be overconfident in their driving abilities

By relocating drinking from bars to private homes, that's how.

i'd be okay with that, but if people are allowed to personally own alcohol (which this system would require), i'd worry that public intoxication will increase or stagnate and we don't want that

[The Marlborough]

Drinking is a big part of working class culture lol. It's bad enough that the old working men's clubs are gone, now people want to come for the pubs and bars.

[Northern Davincia]

So men and women should drink separately.

except how do you deal with homo- and bisexuals

Everyone must drink alone in separate booths.