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by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:35 am
by Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:37 am
by Valentine Z » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:39 am
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by Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:41 am
Valentine Z wrote:A bit of banter and off-topic so... Do you guys remember that comic panel where a school (or some other facility) managed to obtain power from a person's stress... Maybe we could use that.
Either that, or the Water-fueled car, which would work if we can find exactly 27 unicorns.
by Valentine Z » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:45 am
Imperial Joseon wrote:Valentine Z wrote:A bit of banter and off-topic so... Do you guys remember that comic panel where a school (or some other facility) managed to obtain power from a person's stress... Maybe we could use that.
Either that, or the Water-fueled car, which would work if we can find exactly 27 unicorns.
Hydrogen-fueled car is effective.
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by Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:46 am
Valentine Z wrote:Oh, that I am aware. I mean the hypothetical and could-not-possibly-work water-fuel car, which... burns on water or something to that effect. A lot of investment frauds as a result of them (just like the Gasoline / Magic Pill which claims to be able to convert water into gasoline).
by Valentine Z » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:57 am
Imperial Joseon wrote:Valentine Z wrote:Oh, that I am aware. I mean the hypothetical and could-not-possibly-work water-fuel car, which... burns on water or something to that effect. A lot of investment frauds as a result of them (just like the Gasoline / Magic Pill which claims to be able to convert water into gasoline).
Yeah, don't trust those. Obviously, they are a scam.
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by Novus America » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:00 am
by Immoren » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:06 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:18 am
by UniversalCommons » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:23 am
by Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:26 am
UniversalCommons wrote:With big batteries and flywheels, it does not particularly matter where the electricity comes from. You don't need to use only one source of energy.
by Novus America » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:39 am
UniversalCommons wrote:With big batteries and flywheels, it does not particularly matter where the electricity comes from. You don't need to use only one source of energy.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:53 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Novus America » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:08 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Immoren wrote:
What if 100% wind power causes also changing climates, because we rob too much energy from wind currents?
Checkmate atheists.
Funny you should mention that. Wind, thanks to the very nature of convection, tends to bring warm air to colder regions and cold air to warmer regions. If you reduce wind, you keep the polar regions cold, and cut down on arctic ice melt.
That said, you'd need a LOT of wind power to do that. Like, "turbines throughout the ocean" lot. Perhaps they could mass-manufacture wind turbines as a make-work project for ex-convicts and other less-than-employable people. Is this idea worth a separate thread?
by Grenartia » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:22 pm
Novus America wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Funny you should mention that. Wind, thanks to the very nature of convection, tends to bring warm air to colder regions and cold air to warmer regions. If you reduce wind, you keep the polar regions cold, and cut down on arctic ice melt.
That said, you'd need a LOT of wind power to do that. Like, "turbines throughout the ocean" lot. Perhaps they could mass-manufacture wind turbines as a make-work project for ex-convicts and other less-than-employable people. Is this idea worth a separate thread?
Where would we get the materials and money required and what would the impact be?
Mining that much stuff, spending that much money that could be used elsewhere, impact on migratory birds, etc.?
Although it is fair to note the wind turbines can and do have an adverse impact on many species.
Regardless it is not a practical idea, and yeah I think geo climate engineering while related is probably beyond the subject of this thread.
by Senkaku » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:20 pm
Grenartia wrote:Novus America wrote:
Where would we get the materials and money required and what would the impact be?
Mining that much stuff, spending that much money that could be used elsewhere, impact on migratory birds, etc.?
Although it is fair to note the wind turbines can and do have an adverse impact on many species.
Regardless it is not a practical idea, and yeah I think geo climate engineering while related is probably beyond the subject of this thread.
Really, its a testament to the effectiveness of fearmongering and anti-nuclear propaganda that bird burninators and bird choppinators occupy space as serious large-scale energy production methods in the public consciousness.
by Novus America » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:30 pm
Senkaku wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Really, its a testament to the effectiveness of fearmongering and anti-nuclear propaganda that bird burninators and bird choppinators occupy space as serious large-scale energy production methods in the public consciousness.
do you know how many birds are killed by domestic cats in the united states alone every year
if the birds die it won't be bc of the windmills lol
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:05 am
Novus America wrote:Senkaku wrote:do you know how many birds are killed by domestic cats in the united states alone every year
if the birds die it won't be bc of the windmills lol
Do you know how many people die in car crashes? Therefore we should not care about how many die by murder!
That is the relative privation fallacy.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as
Besides it is different types of birds and all.
The fact the wind turbines can seriously disrupt bird and bat migrations is still a problem, even if they are not the only threat to birds and bats.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by UniversalCommons » Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:53 am
by Novus America » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:00 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Novus America wrote:
Do you know how many people die in car crashes? Therefore we should not care about how many die by murder!
That is the relative privation fallacy.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as
Besides it is different types of birds and all.
The fact the wind turbines can seriously disrupt bird and bat migrations is still a problem, even if they are not the only threat to birds and bats.
I never liked whataboutism. But perhaps a more relevant point would be to compare bird deaths from wind to bird deaths from nuclear.
by Grenartia » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:18 am
UniversalCommons wrote:I rather like the idea of improved turbines. There are room temperature superconductors
and better superconductor cables. If you can improve turbines across the board as a base source of power, you can improve hydro, nuclear, wind, wave, and many other sources of power. I like to think that our future for energy will be determined by improved energy storage and better turbines.
by UniversalCommons » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:41 am
Grenartia wrote:UniversalCommons wrote:I rather like the idea of improved turbines. There are room temperature superconductors
Last I checked (pretty recently), no, there fucking aren't. Certainly nothing at TRL 4 or higher.and better superconductor cables. If you can improve turbines across the board as a base source of power, you can improve hydro, nuclear, wind, wave, and many other sources of power. I like to think that our future for energy will be determined by improved energy storage and better turbines.
Except, you cannot squeeze an arbitrary amount more energy out of generators with "room temperature superconductors" and "improving turbines". Also, the turbines used in hydro/wind are vastly different from the ones used in nuclear (and fossil fuel), namely because hydro and wind turbines are not heat engines, whereas nuclear and fossil fuel turbines are. And the most significant way to improve heat engine output is to increase the temperature difference (see: Carnot). Functionally, this means increasing the temperature of the steam going into the turbine. Fossil fuels are essentially at the limit. The combustion of hydrocarbons produces generally the same temperature no matter what, and we've been using it for power for so long that we've certainly hit the limit. However, with nuclear power, you can more or less arbitrarily increase the temperature as high as you want (which we have yet to really take advantage of).
by Window Land » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:54 am
UniversalCommons wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Last I checked (pretty recently), no, there fucking aren't. Certainly nothing at TRL 4 or higher.
Except, you cannot squeeze an arbitrary amount more energy out of generators with "room temperature superconductors" and "improving turbines". Also, the turbines used in hydro/wind are vastly different from the ones used in nuclear (and fossil fuel), namely because hydro and wind turbines are not heat engines, whereas nuclear and fossil fuel turbines are. And the most significant way to improve heat engine output is to increase the temperature difference (see: Carnot). Functionally, this means increasing the temperature of the steam going into the turbine. Fossil fuels are essentially at the limit. The combustion of hydrocarbons produces generally the same temperature no matter what, and we've been using it for power for so long that we've certainly hit the limit. However, with nuclear power, you can more or less arbitrarily increase the temperature as high as you want (which we have yet to really take advantage of).
I was thinking about General Electric and the new high temperature superconductors that are being developed for wind power.
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/supercond ... irst-test/
Room Temperature Superconductors Could Be Possible
https://phys.org/news/2016-09-room-temp ... ctors.html
General Electric Superconducting Generator
https://www.ge.com/research/project/hig ... -generator
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