UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Lower Nubia]

NI won't be in the same mess, they'll just become part of Ireland. As for Scotland....yeah, I'm not sure Sturgeon realises that Madrid's a bigger obstacle than Westminster ever was. They still refuse to recognise Kosovo for fear of being seen as hypocrites.

Exactly and let's face it the only real win they might get is some North Sea natural resources, Scotland really doesn't have a lot to offer the EU.

This is very reductionist. If the EU gets Scotland, they’ll get England too.

[The Lone Alliance]

This is very reductionist. If the EU gets Scotland, they’ll get England too.

Which is why England won't let them have Scotland.

Part of me believes that if necessary they'll even use military force to keep Scotland.

[Shrillland]

This is very reductionist. If the EU gets Scotland, they’ll get England too.

Which is why England won't let them have Scotland.

Part of me believes that if necessary they'll even use military force to keep Scotland.

They'll only do that if Scotland goes full Rhodesia/America, and I doubt that's in the cards.

[Costa Fierro]

The Brexiteers will realise this doesn't count for much once the trade deals start being negotiated. And tariffs start being slapped on British exports.

Canada and Japan have refused to treat the UK as an “EU state” during this grace period for their respective trade agreements. We’re less than 4 hours in and nations are deciding not to trade with us via trade agreements.

Edit: have not yet agreed to do this. Not refused.

Not yet agreeing implies they're still considering their options. Japan and Canada I imagine both have sizeable investments in the UK and will be looking at all options before any decision as made. But when that period ends will be a test of the resilience of the British economy. I'm not sure how many trade agreements Westminster plans to negotiate simultaneously.

Although from where I'm sitting, there's a tad bit of schadenfreude given our historical relations with the UK and the whole "relationship ended with NZ, EC is new best friend now".

[Lower Nubia]

This is very reductionist. If the EU gets Scotland, they’ll get England too.

Which is why England won't let them have Scotland.

But that’s not about whether the EU would take Scotland. That’s an issue of letting England have Scotland. It’s very obvious that for the EU, if Scotland becomes independent it must enter the union.

It’s just divide and conquer, the Union Jack flown in parliament square today would no longer exist with Scottish independence. The very epitome of British “independence” is snatched by the EU: a powerful statement. Even if England wouldn’t join thereafter, the fact the EU dismantled and absorbed territory from UK would alone stop any “leave” campaigns for the rest of The EU 27(28 - with Scotland).

I agree, England would never allow the vote though, so this scenario is very unlikely unless they get that referendum.

[Lower Nubia]

Canada and Japan have refused to treat the UK as an “EU state” during this grace period for their respective trade agreements. We’re less than 4 hours in and nations are deciding not to trade with us via trade agreements.

Edit: have not yet agreed to do this. Not refused.

Not yet agreeing implies they're still considering their options. Japan and Canada I imagine both have sizeable investments in the UK and will be looking at all options before any decision as made. But when that period ends will be a test of the resilience of the British economy. I'm not sure how many trade agreements Westminster plans to negotiate simultaneously.

Although from where I'm sitting, there's a tad bit of schadenfreude given our historical relations with the UK and the whole "relationship ended with NZ, EC is new best friend now".

I’d be interested to see how long it takes for them to agree. If it takes them a while to agree to pre-existing agreements, it’s probably not a good indicator for fast tracked relations.

[Costa Fierro]

Not yet agreeing implies they're still considering their options. Japan and Canada I imagine both have sizeable investments in the UK and will be looking at all options before any decision as made. But when that period ends will be a test of the resilience of the British economy. I'm not sure how many trade agreements Westminster plans to negotiate simultaneously.

Although from where I'm sitting, there's a tad bit of schadenfreude given our historical relations with the UK and the whole "relationship ended with NZ, EC is new best friend now".

I’d be interested to see how long it takes for them to agree. If it takes them a while to agree to pre-existing agreements, it’s probably not a good indicator for fast tracked relations.

It depends on a lot of things and the kind of agreement finalised, how long it takes, and whether or not key investments are protected. Japan's automotive companies especially are going to be a factor in Japan's decision as they have sizeable investments in the UK.

[Lower Nubia]

I’d be interested to see how long it takes for them to agree. If it takes them a while to agree to pre-existing agreements, it’s probably not a good indicator for fast tracked relations.

It depends on a lot of things and the kind of agreement finalised, how long it takes, and whether or not key investments are protected. Japan's automotive companies especially are going to be a factor in Japan's decision as they have sizeable investments in the UK.

Which could make any delay to continuing that arrangement ever the more concerning, with so much on the line.

But it has only been 5 hours...

[Costa Fierro]

It depends on a lot of things and the kind of agreement finalised, how long it takes, and whether or not key investments are protected. Japan's automotive companies especially are going to be a factor in Japan's decision as they have sizeable investments in the UK.

Which could make any delay to continuing that arrangement ever the more concerning, with so much on the line.

But it has only been 5 hours...

I'd say they'd wait a while, at least until the end of the year, although I'm not sure how negotiations with the EU would go with the UK given the country's economic interdependence and the EU's anal nature regarding subsidies, especially agriculture.

[Turbofolkia]

Farewell and good luck, but you’ll be back with us in ten years time.

Hope not.

It’s time to start preparing for your Breturn!

[Vassenor]

I am getting reports of spontaneous jubilation on the streets of the UK. The football clubs seem to be out in force to shout down any pro remain crowds that their show their face.

Wouldn't surprise me if this was true. There's always been a very vocal part of the Brexit crowd that hates free speech and free expression with the fire of a thousand suns.

[Aclion]

Which could make any delay to continuing that arrangement ever the more concerning, with so much on the line.

But it has only been 5 hours...

I'd say they'd wait a while, at least until the end of the year, although I'm not sure how negotiations with the EU would go with the UK given the country's economic interdependence and the EU's anal nature regarding subsidies, especially agriculture.

What is it about agriculture that puts a stick in every nation's ass?

[Vassenor]

Also now that there's no risk of Brexit or the election being called into question when are we going to see that report on foreign influences that the government has been steadfastly refusing to release?

[Salandriagado]

very funny to hear all these stories about fireworks while my area is completely silent

not even the rangers fans seem to be bothering

That's scotland for you.

I live in york (58% remain) and I only heard like 5.

Huh, I'm also in York, and that's 5 more than I heard.

[Vassenor]

That's scotland for you.

I live in york (58% remain) and I only heard like 5.

Huh, I'm also in York, and that's 5 more than I heard.

56% Leave area and no-one bothered.

[Salandriagado]

So Brexit's done now? That took a fucking long time.

I doubt it was worth it, but only time will tell.

Not even remotely. We lost all representation in Brussels, and that's about it. To all other practical intents and purposes, we're still in the EU.

[Dumb Ideologies]

There were fireworks yesterday in my majority-remain area. I imagine my brexiter friend who has an anxious dog had mixed emotions.

[Nuroblav]

So we're leaving now it seems?

I'm not sure whether to be relieved or not. After all that...

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

As evidenced by .. voting against becoming a nation.

there is a difference between being a nation and being a sovereign state

i would have thought this would have been self-intuitive

It's a region of the UK.

[Vassenor]

And so the gammon-flavoured lunacy begins.

Especially since a lot of those are either impossible (can't claim 200 miles off the coast without infringing on other countries territory), nothing we needed to leave the EU to do (Legal Aid, etc), or just based on the failure to understand that we're not America.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I wonder if the grand spastics that are the british government will fuck up the transition period.

[Eglaecia]

So we're leaving now it seems?

I'm not sure whether to be relieved or not. After all that...

Not leaving, we've officially left. We finally have our country back.

[Nuroblav]

So we're leaving now it seems?

I'm not sure whether to be relieved or not. After all that...

Not leaving, we've officially left. We finally have our country back.

Fair enough. I'll be honest, the EU was becoming pretty shit. As long as we still have economic ties with them so things don't go too downhill, although I'm not expert on this.

[Eglaecia]

there is a difference between being a nation and being a sovereign state

i would have thought this would have been self-intuitive

It's a region of the UK.

Scotland is a constituent country of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It is not a region.

[The Huskar Social Union]

"Comprehensive teaching of British History"

Will that include all the massacres, shooting of civilian protesters and raping countries of their resources? Or will it be Captain Britain man fucking france with a union jack draped over his face as a lion with Victoria's face belts out Britannia rules the waves in the background?


Also vass stop calling people gammon, it stopped being entertaining a long time ago and sounds fucking stupid