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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:23 am

Grenartia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No one appreciates GVH's bullshit. His endless efforts to convince everyone that he doesn't care about anything except money are very tiresome, probably deliberately. But he is just being annoying on the internet, not endangering lives.


Some equally edgyboi is going to try and put his "advice" into practice, which DOES endanger lives.

I'm sure some people will contract Covid 19 and irresponsibly pass it on to other people by not isolating themselves and/or not practicing proper hygiene. I'm also sure that this will be down to those people just being irresponsible, not the influence of NSG shitposts.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Some equally edgyboi is going to try and put his "advice" into practice, which DOES endanger lives.

I'm sure some people will contract Covid 19 and irresponsibly pass it on to other people by not isolating themselves and/or not practicing proper hygiene. I'm also sure that this will be down to those people just being irresponsible, not the influence of NSG shitposts.


You and I are both familiar with the behavior of edgelords to know that they'd do it exactly because the shitposts told them to.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:14 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51784167

Coronavirus can melt steel beams...

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:16 am

Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51784167

Coronavirus can melt steel beams...

Yeah I just read that. Shitty construction standards.
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Postby Page » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:18 am

I wonder if we are approaching the point of peoples' attitudes toward this virus changing from panic to "shit happens."
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:25 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51784167

Coronavirus can melt steel beams...

Yeah I just read that. Shitty construction standards.

It opened in 2018, it's not even an old building.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:25 am

Page wrote:I wonder if we are approaching the point of peoples' attitudes toward this virus changing from panic to "shit happens."

I doubt it, because governments seem all too happy to feed the hysteria for some reason.
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:03 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Yeah I just read that. Shitty construction standards.

It opened in 2018, it's not even an old building.

Suspicious then.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:09 am

206 nCoV cases in the UK but we're still in the Contain phase... Unnamed doctor in Victoria continued seeing patients with "flu-like symptoms" sez Vic. Health Minister... also-unnamed female French MP has Coronavirus... northern Spanish town of Haro under police lockdown...

In general, O-rings and hopefulness are both in play here. Elsewhere, the eighth-most-read article on BBC News right now is entitled "Coronavirus: Thank you for signing up," which is a thank-you message for those people who have opted to "receive more notifications about the coronavirus."
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:11 am

Page wrote:I wonder if we are approaching the point of peoples' attitudes toward this virus changing from panic to "shit happens."


It's already reminding me of Swine Flu (I was like 10 or so at the time), after a while I just remember all the parents going from treating it like a crisis to something their kid was just bound to get.

Swine Flu sucked balls, but I pulled through, most Americans who got it did. Coronavirus is deadlier and more infectious, however, so I'm still fairly anxious overall.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:25 am

Shamhnan Insir wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It opened in 2018, it's not even an old building.

Suspicious then.

Tofu dregs projects is not even out of the ordinary for PRC. The complete lack of any safety culture or concern for human lives in the pursuit of short-term maximum profit and maximum corruption makes that a certainty.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The spread is also greatly facilitated by the PRC'ian habit of rushing to the hospital asking for IV drips, even if it's the most simple of common colds.

Is this real? :o

Why yes. See those people crowding Wuhan's hospitals? 90% of them are there to get IV drips. It even caught the attention of the WHO a few years back.
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The prevailing belief in China is that IV fluid gets to the source of illness and disease more quickly. As a result, a forest of IV fluid stands can be seen in many hospitals and community health centres. Many patients demand IV antibiotics and doctors generally comply. Health department officials have warned that this practice can lead to adverse drug reactions, iatrogenic infections and other serious health problems. They have also urged members of the public to treat IV infusion as a last resort rather than the norm.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:33 am

Shamhnan Insir wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It opened in 2018, it's not even an old building.

Suspicious then.


Not really, they do not really have any safety protections.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:23 pm

Tinhampton wrote:206 nCoV cases in the UK but we're still in the Contain phase... Unnamed doctor in Victoria continued seeing patients with "flu-like symptoms" sez Vic. Health Minister... also-unnamed female French MP has Coronavirus... northern Spanish town of Haro under police lockdown...

In general, O-rings and hopefulness are both in play here. Elsewhere, the eighth-most-read article on BBC News right now is entitled "Coronavirus: Thank you for signing up," which is a thank-you message for those people who have opted to "receive more notifications about the coronavirus."

That sounds somewhat different to the contents of the article. 'Coronavirus: thank you for signing up' sounds like they're going to deliver you your weekly coronavirus each Thursday.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:25 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Congratulations, the rest of us and our mothers don't share yall's outlook. Stop spreading shitty advice and save a few lives.

I only save lives when I'm paid to do so, sorry.

How about we pay you then. We can pay you to offer good advice, or we could pay you to shut up
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:26 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I only save lives when I'm paid to do so, sorry.

How about we pay you then. We can pay you to offer good advice, or we could pay you to shut up

I already got a warning today, I don't want a commercialism one as well.
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Postby Main Nation Ministry » Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:25 pm

A reminder that even though the CDC recommends you don't touch your face. We are still going to touch our face, because impulse.
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Postby Pacomia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:28 pm

Main Nation Ministry wrote:A reminder that even though the CDC recommends you don't touch your face. We are still going to touch our face, because impulse.

I read this while I was touching my face
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Postby Neu Estovakia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:03 pm

So how bad is this shit going to get? Are we talking 1918 Flu levels or is this going to end up being something far more mild?

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Postby Shrillland » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:07 pm

Neu Estovakia wrote:So how bad is this shit going to get? Are we talking 1918 Flu levels or is this going to end up being something far more mild?


Right now, the fatality rate is something along the lines of the Spanish Flu, yes. Even so, as the virus is mutating into the milder COVID-19S, we may see fewer deaths.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:09 pm

Neu Estovakia wrote:So how bad is this shit going to get? Are we talking 1918 Flu levels or is this going to end up being something far more mild?

Well, it's much worse than Ebola now.

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Neu Estovakia wrote:So how bad is this shit going to get? Are we talking 1918 Flu levels or is this going to end up being something far more mild?


Right now, the fatality rate is something along the lines of the Spanish Flu, yes. Even so, as the virus is mutating into the milder COVID-19S, we may see fewer deaths.

Actually, COVID-19S was made first, with COVID-19L having just spread faster.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:09 pm

Neu Estovakia wrote:So how bad is this shit going to get? Are we talking 1918 Flu levels or is this going to end up being something far more mild?

It will never match the 1918 flu in terms of percentage of victims killed. The Doomsday Flu is a far more deadly disease.

But, because the worlds population is much higher than it was in 1918, it could match it in terms of total body count. Most experts are currently projecting that it won't, but it could.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:11 pm

There is no definition of how a disease will mutate. Whether it will become stronger or weaker is not something that can be determined.

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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:12 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Neu Estovakia wrote:So how bad is this shit going to get? Are we talking 1918 Flu levels or is this going to end up being something far more mild?

It will never match the 1918 flu in terms of percentage of victims killed. The Doomsday Flu is a far more deadly disease.

But, because the worlds population is much higher than it was in 1918, it could match it in terms of total body count. Most experts are currently projecting that it won't, but it could.

It already has. 3.4% is higher than 2.5%. And which experts? Mark Lipstitch of Harvard University believes it could infect between 3 billion to 4.6 billion people, leaving us with 111-176 million dead.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:14 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Neu Estovakia wrote:So how bad is this shit going to get? Are we talking 1918 Flu levels or is this going to end up being something far more mild?

Well, it's much worse than Ebola now.

Shrillland wrote:
Right now, the fatality rate is something along the lines of the Spanish Flu, yes. Even so, as the virus is mutating into the milder COVID-19S, we may see fewer deaths.

Actually, COVID-19S was made first, with COVID-19L having just spread faster.


Oops, got them mixed up.
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