The 2019-2020 Coronavirus outbreak thread

[Satuga]

Yeah, I know. The CDC budget for chronic disease prevention and health promotion is still above 1 Billion, which it has been before even Trump was elected.

So? This isn't a chronic disease.

Doesn't that mean they can budget elsewhere? Also if it isn't in the category of chronic disease and health promotion what category is it in and how much funding is in it because I could not find it or I just missed it by accident.

[Ifreann]

This justifies defunding and gutting the CDC how exactly?


Neutering the CDC also neuters it’s effectiveness and ability to coordinate with other national and international health agencies at containing and combating diseases.

Can you show me how much he's "Gutted" the CDC because from what I saw the budget, while decreased slightly is still high.

So are you saying that other national health organization are pretty much incapable without the US being it's top leader? Why does the world have to rely on the finances of the US?

Now don't get me wrong I'm not exactly saying the CDC should do nothing, or should have no funding to combat this, but the idea that cuts in the CDC funding is what really is allowing the Coronavirus to spread and not be cured is absurd.

Who's saying that?

The world should be capable of handling this without the help of the US even more so when it does have the help of the US just slightly less so.

We are capable of handling this without the CDC, we have our own disease control organisations. Whether the US will be able to handle this without the CDC is another question entirely.

[Ifreann]

So? This isn't a chronic disease.

Doesn't that mean they can budget elsewhere?

You want the CDC to stop spending money on chronic disease prevention and health promotion?

Also if it isn't in the category of chronic disease and health promotion what category is it in and how much funding is in it because I could not find it or I just missed it by accident.

Global disease outbreak, complex crisis, global health security. You know, all those things that have been cut that are being mentioned because they're relevant to the current situation.

[Satuga]

Who's saying that?

We are capable of handling this without the CDC, we have our own disease control organisations. Whether the US will be able to handle this without the CDC is another question entirely.

Good to know that Trump has made America and the world so prepared for this:

Neutering the CDC also neuters it’s effectiveness and ability to coordinate with other national and international health agencies at containing and combating diseases.

^this one less so.

It is always possible to add emergency funding into the CDC should it be needed, I don't think the CDC is entirely incapable with the budget cuts it was given.

[Satuga]

Doesn't that mean they can budget elsewhere?

You want the CDC to stop spending money on chronic disease prevention and health promotion?

Also if it isn't in the category of chronic disease and health promotion what category is it in and how much funding is in it because I could not find it or I just missed it by accident.

Global disease outbreak, complex crisis, global health security. You know, all those things that have been cut that are being mentioned because they're relevant to the current situation.

Not stop, but rather take some of the budgeting and focus it more towards the outbreak. Does it not make sense to put other things on slow roll while trying to combat and actual emergency outbreak?

Can you point me towards it, because while I was going through the budgeting between around 2016-2020 I didn't see that category.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Who's saying that?

We are capable of handling this without the CDC, we have our own disease control organisations. Whether the US will be able to handle this without the CDC is another question entirely.

Good to know that Trump has made America and the world so prepared for this:

Neutering the CDC also neuters it’s effectiveness and ability to coordinate with other national and international health agencies at containing and combating diseases.

^this one less so.

It is always possible to add emergency funding into the CDC should it be needed, I don't think the CDC is entirely incapable with the budget cuts it was given.

"It's only the equivalent of a chest xray comrades."

[Satuga]

"It's only the equivalent of a chest xray comrades."

What? I don't get the reference/joke you're trying to make.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Facial Hair Guide:

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This is literally nothing to do with the coronavirus, it's advice on when certain facial hairstyles will break the seal on a respirator's facepiece. As in these type of things.

Iffy is quite right on this one.

Besides, if people are that worried about keeping a good seal with facial hair, they do make M95 hoodies/masks to cover this issue as well. Or you could just go hog wild and get a PAPR unit and call it a day.

"It's only the equivalent of a chest xray comrades."

What? I don't get the reference/joke you're trying to make.

It's a bad reference to Chernobyl.

[Ifreann]

Who's saying that?

We are capable of handling this without the CDC, we have our own disease control organisations. Whether the US will be able to handle this without the CDC is another question entirely.

Good to know that Trump has made America and the world so prepared for this:

Having a well funded CDC able to contribute to fighting the coronavirus would help everyone, obviously.

Neutering the CDC also neuters it’s effectiveness and ability to coordinate with other national and international health agencies at containing and combating diseases.

^this one less so.

Or not at all.

It is always possible to add emergency funding into the CDC should it be needed,

Which is to say that the CDC might get more funding after the greedy idiot in the White House is convinced that this is a serious problem and not just media hype.

I don't think the CDC is entirely incapable with the budget cuts it was given.

Hopefully you're right and these budget cuts don't kill anyone.

[Ifreann]

You want the CDC to stop spending money on chronic disease prevention and health promotion?

Global disease outbreak, complex crisis, global health security. You know, all those things that have been cut that are being mentioned because they're relevant to the current situation.

Not stop, but rather take some of the budgeting and focus it more towards the outbreak. Does it not make sense to put other things on slow roll while trying to combat and actual emergency outbreak?

It makes sense to fund that shit up front and all the time, so that when there is an emergency you aren't desperately scrambling to find money.

Can you point me towards it, because while I was going through the budgeting between around 2016-2020 I didn't see that category.

Good to know that Trump has made America and the world so prepared for this: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... rus-2020-2

In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10.

[...]Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.
Eliminating the US government's $30 million Complex Crises Fund.
Reducing national health spending by $15 billion.
Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development.

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This is literally nothing to do with the coronavirus, it's advice on when certain facial hairstyles will break the seal on a respirator's facepiece. As in these type of things.

Iffy is quite right on this one.

Besides, if people are that worried about keeping a good seal with facial hair, they do make M95 hoodies/masks to cover this issue as well. Or you could just go hog wild and get a PAPR unit and call it a day.

I expect for most people this is only likely to come up if they're already in hospital

[Satuga]

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How about a primary source instead of a secondary one, I'd like to look at the actual budget size for outbreaks from the CDC rather than just statements about cut's from news articles. I'd also like to actually be able to compare the separate department budgets from this year to a previous year.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I expect for most people this is only likely to come up if they're already in hospital

Most likely. And by that point if it is a legit issue, they will take the liberty of removing said facial hair anyway should it legitimately be affecting the quality of ones care.

[New Rogernomics]

Who's saying that?

We are capable of handling this without the CDC, we have our own disease control organisations. Whether the US will be able to handle this without the CDC is another question entirely.

Good to know that Trump has made America and the world so prepared for this:

Neutering the CDC also neuters it’s effectiveness and ability to coordinate with other national and international health agencies at containing and combating diseases.

^this one less so.

It is always possible to add emergency funding into the CDC should it be needed, I don't think the CDC is entirely incapable with the budget cuts it was given.

That isn't the argument though. The CDC can be prepared and capable, though that does not mean that it is prepared as it could be. Cutting funding to areas and spontaneously boosting them is not going to be as effective as the funding all being there in the first place, and operating for years.

[The Black Forrest]

Are you saying that the idea that a new disease could erupt and infect lots of people was completely unheard of in 2018, despite it having happend a few hundred times ?

TBH, I can easily believe that Trump was unfamiliar with this concept.

Yup and probably could care less......well if it hurts him financially......

[Ifreann]

-snip-

How about a primary source instead of a secondary one, I'd like to look at the actual budget size for outbreaks from the CDC rather than just statements about cut's from news articles. I'd also like to actually be able to compare the separate department budgets from this year to a previous year.

Go ahead. Put in an FOIA request if you're that interested.

[New Rogernomics]

TBH, I can easily believe that Trump was unfamiliar with this concept.

Yup and probably could care less......well if it hurts him financially......

His admin probably told folks: "find areas to cut", as always when governments implement irresponsible tax cuts, leaving the government without the funding to support services.

[Satuga]

That isn't the argument though. The CDC can be prepared and capable, though that does not mean that it is prepared as it could be. Cutting funding to areas and spontaneously boosting them is not going to be as effective as the funding all being there in the first place, and operating for years.

Well of course it's not going to be as effective, I'm also not saying that all funding should be cut or something ludicrous. Rather I'm just saying that your original statement seemed to be a hyperbole, I don't think nearly as bad as it seems. I more concerned about whether the virus is able to return to a dormant state during treatment.

[New Rogernomics]

That isn't the argument though. The CDC can be prepared and capable, though that does not mean that it is prepared as it could be. Cutting funding to areas and spontaneously boosting them is not going to be as effective as the funding all being there in the first place, and operating for years.

Well of course it's not going to be as effective, I'm also not saying that all funding should be cut or something ludicrous. Rather I'm just saying that your original statement seemed to be a hyperbole, I don't think nearly as bad as it seems. I more concerned about whether the virus is able to return to a dormant state during treatment.

It isn't hyperbole but fact. Trump's administration cut funding to international programs targeting disease outbreaks, R&D, and other programs they thought "non-essential" and now that is all coming back to bite him.

[Satuga]

Well of course it's not going to be as effective, I'm also not saying that all funding should be cut or something ludicrous. Rather I'm just saying that your original statement seemed to be a hyperbole, I don't think nearly as bad as it seems. I more concerned about whether the virus is able to return to a dormant state during treatment.

It isn't hyperbole but fact. Trump's administration cut funding to international programs targeting disease outbreaks, R&D, and other programs they thought "non-essential" and now that is all coming back to bite him.

Yes it bit them back, but it's not entirely a huge deal, as it can be fixed pretty easily.

[Oscioru]

This may be an oversimplified and potentially dangerous opinion, however following the guidelines of the World Health Organisation should be pretty much enough if anyone wants to stay healthy during the outbreak, without many consequences.

[San Lumen]

https://twitter.com/GEsfandiari/status/ ... 7446941697
This is crazy. the Vice President of Iran Massoumeh Ebtekar tested positive for the virus and was at a cabinet meeting yesterday with President Rouhani. 2 other mp's and a deputy health minster have come down as well. Are they going to quarantine Iranian leadership?

[The New California Republic]

https://twitter.com/GEsfandiari/status/1233037127446941697
This is crazy. the Vice President of Iran Massoumeh Ebtekar tested positive for the virus and was at a cabinet meeting yesterday with President Rouhani. 2 other mp's and a deputy health minster have come down as well. Are they going to quarantine Iranian leadership?

Yes please. Keep them out of society for two weeks.

[Dogmeat]

This is literally nothing to do with the coronavirus, it's advice on when certain facial hairstyles will break the seal on a respirator's facepiece. As in these type of things.

Iffy is quite right on this one.

Besides, if people are that worried about keeping a good seal with facial hair, they do make M95 hoodies/masks to cover this issue as well. Or you could just go hog wild and get a PAPR unit and call it a day.

What? I don't get the reference/joke you're trying to make.

It's a bad reference to Chernobyl.

I wouldn't say "bad," exactly.

Not great, not terrible.

[Genivaria]

So apparently the Pope has been infected.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/pope-fran ... sufferers/

[The Black Forrest]

So apparently the Pope has been infected.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/pope-fran ... sufferers/

Wellllllll. It could be. It could also be a cold as he is a busy guy and old.....