The 2019-2020 Coronavirus outbreak thread

[Major-Tom]

It's more deadly by a decent margin. The normal influenza kills 0.1% of people that get it whereas this brand of Coronavirus averages between 2.5-3.5%. That doesn't sound like a lot, but it is why we have nearly 3,000 deaths worldwide.

And those are official numbers. Unofficial numbers have it at 11% to 16%

According to whom? I've read that if you're a healthy person under the age of 40ish, the likelihood of death is slim to none.

[Shrillland]

Depending on where you’re looking at. Outside of China has nowhere near those morality numbers.

True. Those numbers will be found in high population centers like ROK, Japan, parts of Europe.

And the DPRK as well. A note for anyone who looks at the maps and wonders why North Korea's blank, it's not that they don't have Coronavirus, multiple intelligence agencies have said that they do. It's that North Korea's North Korea and consequently won't say a word to the rest of the world about how many are sick or dead.

[The New California Republic]

True. Those numbers will be found in high population centers like ROK, Japan, parts of Europe.

And the DPRK as well. A note for anyone who looks at the maps and wonders why North Korea's blank, it's not that they don't have Coronavirus, multiple intelligence agencies have said that they do. It's that North Korea's North Korea and consequently won't say a word to the rest of the world about how many are sick or dead.

Tbh I can bet that NK is just black bagging anyone suspected of having it and cremating them posthaste.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Honestly, yes. All countries that have confirmed cases of the coronavirus should temporarily shut down there borders.

Put all infected in quarantine zones in hospitals. Spend millions on a cure right now.

And throw the global economy into a woodchipper over a virus that so far does not appear to be a significant danger to otherwise healthy people? Fuck that noise.

Well that post aged well.

[Major-Tom]

And throw the global economy into a woodchipper over a virus that so far does not appear to be a significant danger to otherwise healthy people? Fuck that noise.

Well that post aged well.

I'm still not sure that it's worth nerfing the economy over.

[Novus America]

Counter-evidence Exhibit A: the response to Coronavirus thus far.

Is the Corona virus truly that horrid ? Sofar it seems less deadly than a normal flu.

It has killed fewer people but has a much higher mortality rate.
With regular flu it is .1% or less. Coronavirus more like 2%.

Twenty times worse.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Well that post aged well.

I'm still not sure that it's worth nerfing the economy over.

Better to be safe then sorry.

We can worry about that after we devlope a vaccine.

[The of Korea]

It's more deadly by a decent margin. The normal influenza kills 0.1% of people that get it whereas this brand of Coronavirus averages between 2.5-3.5%. That doesn't sound like a lot, but it is why we have nearly 3,000 deaths worldwide.

And those are official numbers. Unofficial numbers have it at 11% to 16%

who are these unofficial sources and what is their methodology? From what i can tell, its mainly the elderly, the very young, and those who are immunosuppressed who die from corona virus.

[The Alma Mater]

Depending on where you’re looking at. Outside of China has nowhere near those morality numbers.

True. Those numbers will be found in high population centers like ROK, Japan, parts of Europe.

They will mostly be found in areas with poor medical care/care normal people cannot afford.
Like e.g. the USA

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Well that post aged well.

I'm still not sure that it's worth nerfing the economy over.

At this time it's pretty much only in the epidemic stage at PRC'ian hospitals so... y'know those places where everybody and their grandmother goes to to have IV drips the moment they get a cold.

[Major-Tom]

I'm still not sure that it's worth nerfing the economy over.

Better to be safe then sorry.

We can worry about that after we devlope a vaccine.

I just don't see the benefits of closed borders over this - I understand the rationale in banning flights from China or Iran at this juncture, but severely limiting global travel and the like will be counterproductive in terms of fighting this disease.

[The of Korea]

And throw the global economy into a woodchipper over a virus that so far does not appear to be a significant danger to otherwise healthy people? Fuck that noise.

Well that post aged well.

I still dont see the need to close borders over this. Quarantines, public awareness, and major funding for a cure should be undertaken for the time being. Besides there are already isolated cases in many western countries, and the damage from such a shutdown would unlikely be worth it to say the least.

[The of Korea]

Better to be safe then sorry.

We can worry about that after we devlope a vaccine.

I just don't see the benefits of closed borders over this - I understand the rationale in banning flights from China or Iran at this juncture, but severely limiting global travel and the like will be counterproductive in terms of fighting this disease.

Agreed.

[Novus America]

That is the dumbest reasoning I’ve ever heard

people will always find a way to get around, whether or not you allow them to, and frankly, shutting down borders makes it easier for those with the disease to slip by undetected

Depends on the border. Ocean borders are pretty easy to protect.

[Novus America]

Well that post aged well.

I still dont see the need to close borders over this. Quarantines, public awareness, and major funding for a cure should be undertaken for the time being. Besides there are already isolated cases in many western countries, and the damage from such a shutdown would unlikely be worth it to say the least.

The only real cost of closing borders to people is loss of tourism money.
Most international travel is not really that important.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Better to be safe then sorry.

We can worry about that after we devlope a vaccine.

I just don't see the benefits of closed borders over this - I understand the rationale in banning flights from China or Iran at this juncture, but severely limiting global travel and the like will be counterproductive in terms of fighting this disease.

You have a point but I also think Europes borders (mostly the italy ones should be shut down too.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Is it just me or does it appear that the countries most infiltrated by PRC'ians are the worst hit? Places like Iran/Italy?

[Novus America]

Good thing we let this guy become WHO head because if we didn't we'd be racist!

Very cool progressives, you got your man :^)

Absolutely wonderful

WHO is a complete joke, and should be largely ignored here. They are worse than useless.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm still not sure that it's worth nerfing the economy over.

Better to be safe then sorry.

We can worry about that after we devlope a vaccine.

To stop a purely natural process like people dying...

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Absolutely wonderful

WHO is a complete joke, and should be largely ignored here. They are worse than useless.

Their hearts are in the right place, but they bungle everything and don't have anything like the levels of funding or respect they need to do their job.

[The New California Republic]

Better to be safe then sorry.

We can worry about that after we devlope a vaccine.

To stop a purely natural process like people dying...

Yes yes we know you think that we shouldn't be allowed to quarantine people who have it, but if we followed your advice then this would be a lot worse than it currently is.

[Nakena]

And those are official numbers. Unofficial numbers have it at 11% to 16%

According to whom? I've read that if you're a healthy person under the age of 40ish, the likelihood of death is slim to none.

The Chinese Doctor who died over this was below 40 and fairly healthly. It depends on the individual in question.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Better to be safe then sorry.

We can worry about that after we devlope a vaccine.

To stop a purely natural process like people dying...

You are pretty fortunate that you didn't grew up in a society where even the common cold made your parents rush you to hospital to feed you IV drips. I did though.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

To stop a purely natural process like people dying...

Yes yes we know you think that we shouldn't be allowed to quarantine people who have it, but if we followed your advice then this would be a lot worse than it currently is.

'worse' lol

okay

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Better to be safe then sorry.

We can worry about that after we devlope a vaccine.

To stop a purely natural process like people dying...

Apparently we need to just lay down and let the virus kill millions beacuse dieing is a natural process.