by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:29 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Earthbound Immortal Squad » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:32 pm
by Kubra » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:38 pm
by Katganistan » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:01 pm
Kubra wrote:A criminal record ain't as bad as folks suppose, nor is it inevitable if you commit a crime. And in any case, repeat offenders have a good chance of getting sent to adult court despite being minors.
by Bear Stearns » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:05 pm
Kubra wrote:A criminal record ain't as bad as folks suppose, nor is it inevitable if you commit a crime. And in any case, repeat offenders have a good chance of getting sent to adult court despite being minors.
by Albrenia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:08 pm
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:09 pm
Katganistan wrote:Kubra wrote:A criminal record ain't as bad as folks suppose, nor is it inevitable if you commit a crime. And in any case, repeat offenders have a good chance of getting sent to adult court despite being minors.
If the crime is egregious enough, they will be, but generally speaking, most teens are not murderers.
In response to the OP:
Science does in fact show that human brains generally are not fully developed and therefore the impulse control section is not well defined until the early twenties. That's not 'social "science"', that's practical science.
In fact, teens tried as teens tend not to reoffend, while teens tried as adults end up having a high rate of recidivism. If you want to make a teen into a hardened, career criminal, then by all means, try them as an adult.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Samadhi » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:11 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Katganistan wrote:If the crime is egregious enough, they will be, but generally speaking, most teens are not murderers.
In response to the OP:
Science does in fact show that human brains generally are not fully developed and therefore the impulse control section is not well defined until the early twenties. That's not 'social "science"', that's practical science.
In fact, teens tried as teens tend not to reoffend, while teens tried as adults end up having a high rate of recidivism. If you want to make a teen into a hardened, career criminal, then by all means, try them as an adult.
What of all the teenagers who wouldn't have committed crimes in the first place if they saw other teenage criminals tried as adults? How much incentive is it for them to obey the law, if teenagers who were law-abiding citizens throughout their teen years aren't treated that different from ones who spent them as criminals?
What of all the teenagers who are considering committing crimes, knowing the consequences would be so much more dire if they waited until they were adults, and realize it's "now or never"?
Physical sciences aren't immune from bribery either; we all know about GlaxoSmithKline bribing doctors to push pills. Psychology is the bridge between physical and social sciences, no doubt, but that means it's as high-stakes as the former with as much potential for bias as the latter.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:14 pm
Samadhi wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:What of all the teenagers who wouldn't have committed crimes in the first place if they saw other teenage criminals tried as adults? How much incentive is it for them to obey the law, if teenagers who were law-abiding citizens throughout their teen years aren't treated that different from ones who spent them as criminals?
What of all the teenagers who are considering committing crimes, knowing the consequences would be so much more dire if they waited until they were adults, and realize it's "now or never"?
Physical sciences aren't immune from bribery either; we all know about GlaxoSmithKline bribing doctors to push pills. Psychology is the bridge between physical and social sciences, no doubt, but that means it's as high-stakes as the former with as much potential for bias as the latter.
Literally no one thinks about the consequences.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Samadhi » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:16 pm
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:16 pm
Albrenia wrote:I'm unsure who would be bribing Psychology researchers to make them fabricate evidence to let teens commit crimes... are teenager crime lobbies a thing in the US?
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Idzequitch » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:17 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Katganistan wrote:If the crime is egregious enough, they will be, but generally speaking, most teens are not murderers.
In response to the OP:
Science does in fact show that human brains generally are not fully developed and therefore the impulse control section is not well defined until the early twenties. That's not 'social "science"', that's practical science.
In fact, teens tried as teens tend not to reoffend, while teens tried as adults end up having a high rate of recidivism. If you want to make a teen into a hardened, career criminal, then by all means, try them as an adult.
What of all the teenagers who wouldn't have committed crimes in the first place if they saw other teenage criminals tried as adults? How much incentive is it for them to obey the law, if teenagers who were law-abiding citizens throughout their teen years aren't treated that different from ones who spent them as criminals?
What of all the teenagers who are considering committing crimes, knowing the consequences would be so much more dire if they waited until they were adults, and realize it's "now or never"?
Physical sciences aren't immune from bribery either; we all know about GlaxoSmithKline bribing doctors to push pills. Psychology is the bridge between physical and social sciences, no doubt, but that means it's as high-stakes as the former with as much potential for bias as the latter.
by Fartsniffage » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:17 pm
by New haven america » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:21 pm
Samadhi wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:What of all the teenagers who wouldn't have committed crimes in the first place if they saw other teenage criminals tried as adults? How much incentive is it for them to obey the law, if teenagers who were law-abiding citizens throughout their teen years aren't treated that different from ones who spent them as criminals?
What of all the teenagers who are considering committing crimes, knowing the consequences would be so much more dire if they waited until they were adults, and realize it's "now or never"?
Physical sciences aren't immune from bribery either; we all know about GlaxoSmithKline bribing doctors to push pills. Psychology is the bridge between physical and social sciences, no doubt, but that means it's as high-stakes as the former with as much potential for bias as the latter.
Literally no one thinks about the consequences.
by Samadhi » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:24 pm
by New haven america » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:26 pm
by Saiwania » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:26 pm
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:26 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Samadhi » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:27 pm
by Albrenia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:29 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
No, this is, according to your own reasoning, someone more responsible as a teen than the rest of us are as adults.
Which brings me back, full circle, to the last paragraph in the OP. If it's really true that teenagers are less responsible; and that this is a product of the teenage brain and not of this loophole itself; is it not unfair to give the ones responsible enough to obey the law, even during their teen years, so little more than everyone else in return for doing so?
by Fartsniffage » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:30 pm
Albrenia wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:No, this is, according to your own reasoning, someone more responsible as a teen than the rest of us are as adults.
Which brings me back, full circle, to the last paragraph in the OP. If it's really true that teenagers are less responsible; and that this is a product of the teenage brain and not of this loophole itself; is it not unfair to give the ones responsible enough to obey the law, even during their teen years, so little more than everyone else in return for doing so?
What could we give to law-abiding teens, though? A not-a-criminal record?
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:32 pm
by Idzequitch » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:35 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
No, this is, according to your own reasoning, someone more responsible as a teen than the rest of us are as adults.
Which brings me back, full circle, to the last paragraph in the OP. If it's really true that teenagers are less responsible; and that this is a product of the teenage brain and not of this loophole itself; is it not unfair to give the ones responsible enough to obey the law, even during their teen years, so little more than everyone else in return for doing so?
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:44 pm
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:If a teenager commits a crime, they is subsequently tried before a court of law. If they commits a lot of crimes, they gets a higher sentence. The only difference is that the criminal record is expunged, because reasonably, you should not hold teenagers accountable for their entire lives for something stupid they did in their younger years.
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Of course, a criminal record should not be treated as harshly as it is in the US nowadays.
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:If you served your sentence, you served your sentence. That's it.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
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