Illinois City Creates Reparations Programme

[Aureumterra]

Oh wait this is real? I legitimately thought it was The Onion when it popped up in my newsfeed…

Race itself is a stupid concept, so why give benefits to a single race when you can give benefits to everyone below a certain income? Content of character matter more than the color of your skin

Kinda off topic but never in my right mind would I have ever thought a fascist would be quoting MLK

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Oh wait this is real? I legitimately thought it was The Onion when it popped up in my newsfeed…

Race itself is a stupid concept, so why give benefits to a single race when you can give benefits to everyone below a certain income? Content of character matter more than the color of your skin

Kinda off topic but never in my right mind would I have ever thought a fascist would be quoting MLK

Dr. King’s entire purpose was ending division and uniting a country that had been divided for centuries, he represents a quintessential element of classical fascism

But I’m guessing your perception of fascism is the colloquial term used by politicians to describe anyone they don’t like

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The government - be it local, state, or federal - should not be giving money to people just for being black. Reparations are for those who have been wronged, not those descended from those who have been wronged.

Call me racist.

[The Lone Alliance]

Oh wait this is real? I legitimately thought it was The Onion when it popped up in my newsfeed…

Race itself is a stupid concept, so why give benefits to a single race when you can give benefits to everyone below a certain income? Content of character matter more than the color of your skin

Kinda off topic but never in my right mind would I have ever thought a fascist would be quoting MLK

It's not too surprising, the more and more Identity politics rejects MLK's views the more and more likely Right Wingers are going to appropriate his words to use against them.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Kinda off topic but never in my right mind would I have ever thought a fascist would be quoting MLK

It's not too surprising, the more and more Identity politics rejects MLK's views the more and more likely Right Wingers are going to appropriate his words to use against them.

Implying fascism is right wing

[The Emerald Legion]

Victims of slavery fled there and have been haunted by the socio-economic spectre of it ever since.

Thank you for actually understanding that black people have trauma from slavery.

Nonsensical. No they don't. Nobody was even alive during slavery.

[The Lone Alliance]

It's not too surprising, the more and more Identity politics rejects MLK's views the more and more likely Right Wingers are going to appropriate his words to use against them.

Implying fascism is right wing

The Identity politics people are going to call it right wing. And I'm not even really talking about fascists here

I've seen conservatives and Republicans starting to support MLK and they are historically right wing.

[SD_Film Artists]

What's your point? That the money will smell of weed?

As supposed to the idea that Black people don't buy weed?

You're kinda hung up by the idea of "Taking white's people's money for the blacks" that you can't actually understand what people are actually supposing both in the abstract and what the programmae (however dumb it is) is actually doing.

It uses tax money from legal weed sales and channels it into supposed "reparations". Am I missing something? An abstract perhaps? a programme? getting hung up on something?

[Uiiop]

As supposed to the idea that Black people don't buy weed?

You're kinda hung up by the idea of "Taking white's people's money for the blacks" that you can't actually understand what people are actually supposing both in the abstract and what the programmae (however dumb it is) is actually doing.

It uses tax money from legal weed sales and channels it into supposed "reparations". Am I missing something? An abstract perhaps? A "programmae" or getting hung up on something?

For one the money seems to just going into Job and educations programs and not an "direct check in the mail."

[New haven america]

It uses tax money from legal weed sales and channels it into supposed "reparations". Am I missing something? An abstract perhaps? A "programmae" or getting hung up on something?

For one the money seems to just going into Job and educations programs and not an "direct check in the mail."

Well if that's not the case then what are those who are against this idea supposed to complain about now?

[Uiiop]

For one the money seems to just going into Job and educations programs and not an "direct check in the mail."

Well if that's not the case then what are those who are against this idea supposed to complain about now?

Other than the valid "Why not just give this to everyone who needs it?"

"Why not call it something else? Reparations must always just mean taking away white people's money."

[The Lone Alliance]

For one the money seems to just going into Job and educations programs and not an "direct check in the mail."

Well if that's not the case then what are those who are against this idea supposed to complain about now?

That the money won't actually go into those programs in the way they say they will?

[SD_Film Artists]

No amount of money is going to reverse that, just as no amount of money is going to reverse the stuff that other races went through.

This programme isn't just giving people money.

Resources then.

Ending discrimination is a better way.

Desisting from discriminating doesn't undo past discrimination.

Of course it doesn't, because nothing can. That's the whole point.

While that's a good thing in itself, I don't see how it reverses discrimination;

Well see, being discriminated against stopped black people from getting good jobs and education and things like that, and this programme will give them job training and access to education and things like that.

Pretty straight forward.

So it's just welfare/class mobility with extra steps. Why not just all it a social project and leave out the politics and segregation?

what about mixed-race communities? Do other minorities get that too? The American slave trade is a blink of an eye compared to how long the Jews have been discriminated against.

Well it's not up to me, but yes, everyone should get help when they need help.

So perhaps it would be good to campaign for equal welfare policies and supporting other minority groups rather than just making it a colour thing.

What's your point? That the money will smell of weed?

My point is that isn't a case money being taken from white people because they did slavery. This is just the government raising money to help black people.

And calling it reparations, insinuating that it's white people and/or the government repenting for past sins regardless of whether the person recieving the money/support has any family link to slavery or not.

[Uiiop]

Well if that's not the case then what are those who are against this idea supposed to complain about now?

That the money won't actually go into those programs in the way they say they will?

"Politicians are bad" and all that jazz but i can't say for certain that's going to happen.
Not every social proposal is going to be pocketed.

[SD_Film Artists]

It uses tax money from legal weed sales and channels it into supposed "reparations". Am I missing something? An abstract perhaps? A "programmae" or getting hung up on something?

For one the money seems to just going into Job and educations programs and not an "direct check in the mail."

Sorry was my example too literal? It still costs money. If there's going to be social welfare policies then why not just make it equal rather than getting all political with "reperations"?

[The Lone Alliance]

That the money won't actually go into those programs in the way they say they will?

"Politicians are bad" and all that jazz but i can't say for certain that's going to happen.
Not every social proposal is going to be pocketed.

What's more easier to pocket though, a general welfare fund for poor people that goes to all segments of the city's society or a fund for a small part of the city's population that's likely not going to have the resources to notice or contest if the funds aren't getting spent on them in the way they say they are?

And now that it's called reparations any opposition or issue regarding it will simply be painted as a racism.

[Uiiop]

For one the money seems to just going into Job and educations programs and not an "direct check in the mail."

Sorry was my example too literal? It still costs money. If there's going to be social welfare policies then why not just make it equal rather than getting all political with "reperations"?

I agree but lol at "Political".

Welfare and government services are just as politicized here as race relations. It would be better but not due to a escape from people getting attacked or not being made gulity. People are just going to act like the rich are the ones who are being attacked/made gulity for past crimes.

"Reparations" does not inherently have the connotations of "Sins of that father" Guilt you think it does. The whole rhetoric in the OP's Article is all about the present situation and how to improve it.
This isn't about punishing or making people repent for sins of the father or something asinine like that . It's fixing the shit that has lasted to the modern day.

The execution is selective and shit but doesn't make the current strand of critics quite right.

[Uiiop]

"Politicians are bad" and all that jazz but i can't say for certain that's going to happen.
Not every social proposal is going to be pocketed.

What's more easier to pocket though, a general welfare fund for poor people that goes to all segments of the city's society or a fund for a small part of the city's population that's likely not going to have the resources to notice or contest if the funds aren't getting spent on them in the way they say they are?

And now that it's called reparations any opposition or issue regarding it will simply be painted as a racism.

Convenience ain't evidence of future misuse.

That and i doubt you actually have proof that calling something "reparations" is actually a shield in any way shape or form.

[Shrillland]

Well if that's not the case then what are those who are against this idea supposed to complain about now?

Other than the valid "Why not just give this to everyone who needs it?"

"Why not call it something else? Reparations must always just mean taking away white people's money."

Well, if they called it something else, people would end up saying they were reparations anyway since the funds are marked exclusively for the city's black population.

[Uiiop]

Other than the valid "Why not just give this to everyone who needs it?"

"Why not call it something else? Reparations must always just mean taking away white people's money."

Well, if they called it something else, people would end up saying they were reparations anyway since the funds are marked exclusively for the city's black population.

The article didn't quite nail down the nature of the exclusion.

Will this make new black-only programs or will the welfare/job programs already in or new general ones just get more black people in?

Because the latter sounds a lot better than the former.

[Shrillland]

Well, if they called it something else, people would end up saying they were reparations anyway since the funds are marked exclusively for the city's black population.

The article didn't quite nail down the nature of the exclusion.

Will this make new black-only programs or will the welfare/job programs already in or new general ones just get more black people in?

Because the latter sounds a lot better than the former.

As I've said we won't know until next week, but it seems more likely that they're going to pay for people going into already existing programmes rather than setting up new black-only ones.

[Rojava Free State]

No amount of money is going to reverse that, just as no amount of money is going to reverse the stuff that other races went through.

This programme isn't just giving people money.

Ending discrimination is a better way.

Desisting from discriminating doesn't undo past discrimination.

While that's a good thing in itself, I don't see how it reverses discrimination;

Well see, being discriminated against stopped black people from getting good jobs and education and things like that, and this programme will give them job training and access to education and things like that.

Pretty straight forward.

what about mixed-race communities? Do other minorities get that too? The American slave trade is a blink of an eye compared to how long the Jews have been discriminated against.

Well it's not up to me, but yes, everyone should get help when they need help.

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What's your point? That the money will smell of weed?

My point is that isn't a case money being taken from white people because they did slavery. This is just the government raising money to help black people.

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1st I didn't mean thoughts as in just that thoughts, but also words and how someone behaves in a situation. 2nd Even if I did does that mean you're perfectly fine with someone saying that gays should have no right to marry, whether you like it or not it's still discriminatory and therefore not equal.

Speaking is an action.

I don't think you've been paying attention to all the arguments I've made because while I made that argument it was only one argument out of the various others I've made, not to mention it is still relevant within the conversation you just choose to deny it. Also what position did I force you into defending? Was it when I asked you to look for proof? Cause that's not me forcing you to take a position, that's me asking to enforce the position YOU chose to take.

I have never taken the position that only America has had people being discriminated against.

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Bruh, it monetary privilege that can only be accessed by a single racial group, to the exclusion of all others. That is literally special treatment.

This programme isn't giving people money.

I'm not going to derail the thread about the whole, race is a social construct thing, but it sure as hell shouldn't be the basis for any tribal based welfare system

But you know, I happen to agree with you about helping people according to their needs. Doing based upon their race would be idiotic idea, but to do it based up their social class: rich, poor, middle, whatever - now that makes sense, and is a whole lot more ethical. A truly color blind welfare system that treats everyone based upon their needs, and not the color of their ancestors skin.

Glad you agree with me

How do you reverse centuries of discrimination against one race of people without ever targetting assistance to that race of people?

If you help all poor people, you will by extension help poor black people. Why is it that when we talk about helping everyone, people get mad and start acting all selfish like only their group deserves help?

[The Two Jerseys]

Victims of slavery fled there and have been haunted by the socio-economic spectre of it ever since.

Thank you for actually understanding that black people have trauma from slavery.

By this retarded logic, you owe me money because I'm traumatized by some riots that happened in the 1840s.

[Rojava Free State]

Thank you for actually understanding that black people have trauma from slavery.

By this retarded logic, you owe me money because I'm traumatized by some riots that happened in the 1840s.

The Spanish American war got me shook. Give me money

[Otira]

Nobody was even alive during slavery.

Were they zombies?