Provocative attire and defenses thereof

[Katganistan]

Lmao, this thread really says a lot about the demographic on nationstates. All my years in schooling, I've never had uniform or dress code and there were never any problems with "provocative" attire. People will wear clothes, and people generally have the social intelligence to understand that you wouldn't wear your party attire to school.

Honestly, I don't know about your schooling, but my experience is laden with hall monitors enforce a dress code on even the most trivial things. Honestly, considering that "provocative attire" is about as subjective as it gets, arguing against it is a pointless exercise.

What kind of school is it? Private? Religious?

[Rojava Free State]

Honestly, I don't know about your schooling, but my experience is laden with hall monitors enforce a dress code on even the most trivial things. Honestly, considering that "provocative attire" is about as subjective as it gets, arguing against it is a pointless exercise.

What kind of school is it? Private? Religious?

Hopefully not catholic. Every time they argue about morality and tradition, I have to remind them that their church helped pedophiles get away with raping little kids, and that usually shuts them down real quick

[Stylan]

I think "provocative" attire is largely a symptom of the boredom resulting from the post-industrialized West. Without any meaningful goal, such as hunting food, raising children, etc, people are left to do essentially what amounts to nothing and have to find a way to fill the hole. "Revealing" attire is immoral, yes, but the root causes of it are usually ignored - that being the boredom with modern life and the need for validation.

[The Alma Mater]

I think "provocative" attire is largely a symptom of the boredom resulting from the post-industrialized West.

Depends on how one defines provocative. Many consider burqas, yamulkes, rainbow flags, crosses, nazi-like uniforms etc. a valid reason to feel provoked into molesting someone. Yet those are not all western.

[Cantelo]

I think "provocative" attire is largely a symptom of the boredom resulting from the post-industrialized West. Without any meaningful goal, such as hunting food, raising children, etc, people are left to do essentially what amounts to nothing and have to find a way to fill the hole. "Revealing" attire is immoral, yes, but the root causes of it are usually ignored - that being the boredom with modern life and the need for validation.

This is some incredibly incel-sounding rhetoric. “Revealing” attire is the result of the relaxing of ridiculously strict and misogynistic dress standards for women, and calling it a symptom of boredom is stupid; I’m not gonna start dressing like an Amish woman next week if I’m raising a family or get a 9 to 5 office job, it’s simply more comfortable and freeing to wear “skimpier” clothing such as short shorts. Also, part of it indeed is that I want to look good, and revealing clothing does help make me feel like I look good. I’m not doing it for anybody in particular or to purposefully attract the attention of others, I’m doing it for me primarily.

[Phoenicaea]

I think "provocative" attire is largely a symptom of the boredom resulting from the post-industrialized West.

^i was favourable to school dress, even if i don t care as not so important. reason was decency of a fair dignity to all, in a state school.

it was not about sexual attire. honestly, school skirts may have been also more ‘provocative’ in an honest and good, good way.

[New haven america]

Lmao, this thread really says a lot about the demographic on nationstates. All my years in schooling, I've never had uniform or dress code and there were never any problems with "provocative" attire. People will wear clothes, and people generally have the social intelligence to understand that you wouldn't wear your party attire to school.

Depends on the area.

My schools in the conservative and ultra-religious parts of Colorado were super uptight about dress codes, while my schools in Oregon couldn't bother giving at shit about what people wore.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Honestly, I don't know about your schooling, but my experience is laden with hall monitors enforce a dress code on even the most trivial things. Honestly, considering that "provocative attire" is about as subjective as it gets, arguing against it is a pointless exercise.

What kind of school is it? Private? Religious?

Nah, just a really uptight one. I never got in trouble, though. Well... once my pants had a hole where the pocket should be...

[Chernoslavia]

Why would anybody get treatment for a lack of empathy? It's an extraordinary tool.

I see NSG's standards of reading comprehension are as low as ever.

You’re one to talk.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Gravedig reported

[Rojava Free State]

Lmao, this thread really says a lot about the demographic on nationstates. All my years in schooling, I've never had uniform or dress code and there were never any problems with "provocative" attire. People will wear clothes, and people generally have the social intelligence to understand that you wouldn't wear your party attire to school.

Honestly, I don't know about your schooling, but my experience is laden with hall monitors enforce a dress code on even the most trivial things. Honestly, considering that "provocative attire" is about as subjective as it gets, arguing against it is a pointless exercise.

My school had a lax dress code but it was still dumb in my opinion, like not having spaghetti straps that were less than three inches wide.

I really hate unironic uniforms tbh. Once you get to that, you've reached the dress code equivalent of the USSR. But then again, blending in was never my thing. I've always been an individualist and always viewed collectivism and uniformity and "discipline" as being the thing that made atrocities such as the holocaust, the great leap forward, the crusades, the Armenian Genocide, the Rwandan genocide, the My Lai massacre and other horrific events possible. Once you start putting "the collective" before yourself, you give "the collective" power over you and you're no longer an individual that can think rationally. I think in our attempts to instill "discipline" in kids, we aren't doing ourselves any favors. Clothing reflects society, and strict restrictions on clothing represent a society that frowns upon freedom and individuality. Let the girls wear their halter tops and stop being a dinosaur.

[Rojava Free State]

I think "provocative" attire is largely a symptom of the boredom resulting from the post-industrialized West. Without any meaningful goal, such as hunting food, raising children, etc, people are left to do essentially what amounts to nothing and have to find a way to fill the hole. "Revealing" attire is immoral, yes, but the root causes of it are usually ignored - that being the boredom with modern life and the need for validation.

This is some incredibly incel-sounding rhetoric. “Revealing” attire is the result of the relaxing of ridiculously strict and misogynistic dress standards for women, and calling it a symptom of boredom is stupid; I’m not gonna start dressing like an Amish woman next week if I’m raising a family or get a 9 to 5 office job, it’s simply more comfortable and freeing to wear “skimpier” clothing such as short shorts. Also, part of it indeed is that I want to look good, and revealing clothing does help make me feel like I look good. I’m not doing it for anybody in particular or to purposefully attract the attention of others, I’m doing it for me primarily.

I'm not accusing Stylan of being an Incel because I don't know their motives or them as a person, but I think it's really telling how incels miss the days before the feminist movement. They really wanna live in a world where they say to a woman "I'm claiming you for myself" and she's like "I don't know," and he's like "I'm not asking you."

Basically they wish they could just go to a girl's dad and ask for her hand in marriage (translation: ask to basically rape her because this past society doesn't respect women's rights and gives men control over a woman's body itself, almost like property) instead of having to grow balls and talk directly to a woman. Really annoys the hell out of me. We don't need to go back to 1855 because certain guys have too low of a self esteem to just deal with a lady. Some things need to be left in the past, like "dressing conservatively" or the world i just described to you above.

Edit: I didn't realize this thread was gravedug. Sorry.

[Baltenstein]

Honestly, I don't know about your schooling, but my experience is laden with hall monitors enforce a dress code on even the most trivial things. Honestly, considering that "provocative attire" is about as subjective as it gets, arguing against it is a pointless exercise.

My school had a lax dress code but it was still dumb in my opinion, like not having spaghetti straps that were less than three inches wide.

I really hate unironic uniforms tbh. Once you get to that, you've reached the dress code equivalent of the USSR. But then again, blending in was never my thing. I've always been an individualist and always viewed collectivism and uniformity and "discipline" as being the thing that made atrocities such as the holocaust, the great leap forward, the crusades, the Armenian Genocide, the Rwandan genocide, the My Lai massacre and other horrific events possible. Once you start putting "the collective" before yourself, you give "the collective" power over you and you're no longer an individual that can think rationally. I think in our attempts to instill "discipline" in kids, we aren't doing ourselves any favors. Clothing reflects society, and strict restrictions on clothing represent a society that frowns upon freedom and individuality. Let the girls wear their halter tops and stop being a dinosaur.

I used to think the same thing but, being a teacher and having to deal with fashion-related peer pressure among students (which is in fact also a type of collectivism by itself) on a fairly regular basis, I'm in favor of school uniforms.

[New haven america]

I see NSG's standards of reading comprehension are as low as ever.

You’re one to talk.

Did you seriously gravedig a thread to throw shade at someone who you haven't had any interaction with for weeks?

[New haven america]

My school had a lax dress code but it was still dumb in my opinion, like not having spaghetti straps that were less than three inches wide.

I really hate unironic uniforms tbh. Once you get to that, you've reached the dress code equivalent of the USSR. But then again, blending in was never my thing. I've always been an individualist and always viewed collectivism and uniformity and "discipline" as being the thing that made atrocities such as the holocaust, the great leap forward, the crusades, the Armenian Genocide, the Rwandan genocide, the My Lai massacre and other horrific events possible. Once you start putting "the collective" before yourself, you give "the collective" power over you and you're no longer an individual that can think rationally. I think in our attempts to instill "discipline" in kids, we aren't doing ourselves any favors. Clothing reflects society, and strict restrictions on clothing represent a society that frowns upon freedom and individuality. Let the girls wear their halter tops and stop being a dinosaur.

I used to think the same thing but, being a teacher and having to deal with fashion-related peer pressure among students (which is in fact also a type of collectivism by itself) on a fairly regular basis, I'm in favor of school uniforms.

Tbh, people talk about fashion-related bullying but I've never experienced it or seen others deal with it.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I used to think the same thing but, being a teacher and having to deal with fashion-related peer pressure among students (which is in fact also a type of collectivism by itself) on a fairly regular basis, I'm in favor of school uniforms.

Tbh, people talk about fashion-related bullying but I've never experienced it or seen others deal with it.

Fashion-related bullying in particular notwithstanding, there are definitely other forms of bullying, and more broadly other negative behaviours, reinforced through peer pressure. Discipline, including school uniforms, can deter these negative behaviours, and in so doing, offset the worst effects of peer pressure.

As for people blaming obedience/collectivism for the Holocaust, the flip side of that is that if Hitler had in the 20s obeyed Germany's laws against treason (and/or German society had enforced them with the death penalty like the rest of the world had been known to do) Hitler might never have come to power in the first place, and millions of lives could've been saved.

[Chernoslavia]

I used to think the same thing but, being a teacher and having to deal with fashion-related peer pressure among students (which is in fact also a type of collectivism by itself) on a fairly regular basis, I'm in favor of school uniforms.

Tbh, people talk about fashion-related bullying but I've never experienced it or seen others deal with it.

I didn’t notice the date of the last post as this was found on someone’s post history. And I don’t give a rat’s ass if I barely talk to you, say stupid shit and I will call you out on said stupid shit.