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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:21 am

The majority of those in that lorry who died were Chinese.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:23 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The majority of those in that lorry who died were Chinese.

Some Vietnamese i believe as well.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:35 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The majority of those in that lorry who died were Chinese.

Some Vietnamese i believe as well.


Has anyone tried to make a Tories head explode by asking them if we'll take refugees from communist countries, or is communism not that bad?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:38 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Some Vietnamese i believe as well.


Has anyone tried to make a Tories head explode by asking them if we'll take refugees from communist countries, or is communism not that bad?

Genius play honestly.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:44 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Leaked government papers suggest that worker's rights and environmental protections open to being diluted after Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50194676

good
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:47 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Leaked government papers suggest that worker's rights and environmental protections open to being diluted after Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50194676

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Oh fucking please.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:49 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:good

Oh fucking please.

Believe me that's what I'm saying. Are you coming around to my way of thinking?
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:50 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Leaked government papers suggest that worker's rights and environmental protections open to being diluted after Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50194676

good

It must be nice not having to work and living in your family's posher apartments.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:51 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Oh fucking please.

Believe me that's what I'm saying. Are you coming around to my way of thinking?

Nah it is more like continuing to be surprised at just how little empathy/contempt you have for those not as well of as you.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:54 am

Gormwood wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:good

It must be nice not having to work and living in your family's posher apartments.

I plan to work. As a lawyer though, not a factory worker.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:57 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:It must be nice not having to work and living in your family's posher apartments.

I plan to work. As a lawyer though, not a factory worker.

So how exactly does reducing worker rights benefit you if you don't plan on owning a business?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:59 am

Gormwood wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I plan to work. As a lawyer though, not a factory worker.

So how exactly does reducing worker rights benefit you if you don't plan on owning a business?

I just don't feel that they're necessary. You can leave a job if you don't like it, and find another one. Besides, employers have a right to expect productivity from their staff, not slacking off.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:01 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So how exactly does reducing worker rights benefit you if you don't plan on owning a business?

I just don't feel that they're necessary. You can leave a job if you don't like it, and find another one. Besides, employers have a right to expect productivity from their staff, not slacking off.

But many people simply can´t leave their job. Many were not as lucky as you and have to live paycheck to paycheck. Workers rights are what are preventing employers from exploiting employees to make more money. They are very necessary.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:02 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So how exactly does reducing worker rights benefit you if you don't plan on owning a business?

I just don't feel that they're necessary. You can leave a job if you don't like it, and find another one. Besides, employers have a right to expect productivity from their staff, not slacking off.

Not being forced to work overtime for no pay is "slacking off" to you?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:20 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I just don't feel that they're necessary. You can leave a job if you don't like it, and find another one. Besides, employers have a right to expect productivity from their staff, not slacking off.

Not being forced to work overtime for no pay is "slacking off" to you?


If you pay people badly enough they stay at work for lighting and heat. *taps head*

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Postby Gormwood » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:21 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Not being forced to work overtime for no pay is "slacking off" to you?


If you pay people badly enough they stay at work for lighting and heat. *taps head*

Ah, The Scrooge Method.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:39 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So how exactly does reducing worker rights benefit you if you don't plan on owning a business?

I just don't feel that they're necessary. You can leave a job if you don't like it, and find another one. Besides, employers have a right to expect productivity from their staff, not slacking off.

You have no clue what most people go through nor how the real world works. Go back to the 1800s.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:59 pm

As the election draws ever closer...the Tories are at 40%: https://www.yahoo.com/news/1-uk-pm-johnsons-conservatives-181108477.html

The people voice will be heard...and they will prove to the world that pride is a major cause of death for nations.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:04 pm

Shrillland wrote:As the election draws ever closer...the Tories are at 40%: https://www.yahoo.com/news/1-uk-pm-johnsons-conservatives-181108477.html

The people voice will be heard...and they will prove to the world that pride is a major cause of death for nations.


My view is that the next general election will lead to a hung parliament, and that will just mire us even deeper into a hopeless Brexit impasse.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:22 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So how exactly does reducing worker rights benefit you if you don't plan on owning a business?

I just don't feel that they're necessary. You can leave a job if you don't like it, and find another one. Besides, employers have a right to expect productivity from their staff, not slacking off.


Spoken like someone who doesn't understand the realities of job hunting.
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Postby Philjia » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:25 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So how exactly does reducing worker rights benefit you if you don't plan on owning a business?

I just don't feel that they're necessary. You can leave a job if you don't like it, and find another one. Besides, employers have a right to expect productivity from their staff, not slacking off.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:26 pm

Philjia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I just don't feel that they're necessary. You can leave a job if you don't like it, and find another one. Besides, employers have a right to expect productivity from their staff, not slacking off.

*Common People by Pulp plays ominously*


You can see the roaches too?.... phew.

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Postby Gravlen » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:33 pm

Philjia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I just don't feel that they're necessary. You can leave a job if you don't like it, and find another one. Besides, employers have a right to expect productivity from their staff, not slacking off.

*Common People by Pulp plays ominously*

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:04 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Philjia wrote:*Common People by Pulp plays ominously*

The Shatner adaptation is actually the best version of it! Feel that indignation!


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Postby Chan Island » Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:22 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Some Vietnamese i believe as well.


Has anyone tried to make a Tories head explode by asking them if we'll take refugees from communist countries, or is communism not that bad?


I want to see someone ask this on camera so badly now.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So how exactly does reducing worker rights benefit you if you don't plan on owning a business?

I just don't feel that they're necessary. You can leave a job if you don't like it, and find another one. Besides, employers have a right to expect productivity from their staff, not slacking off.


*starts to browse selection of revolutionary music to find the most appropriate tune*
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