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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:59 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Good, 'parliamentary language' is far too stuffy.


Every time an MP or Minister gets invited to the Oxford Union they always make some remark about how the Union is more polite than Parliament, so clearly they don't agree with you on this

Ewwwww, politicians shouldn't be polite, they should conduct debates by hitting one another across the chamber with big nobbledy sticks.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:59 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:
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Every time an MP or Minister gets invited to the Oxford Union they always make some remark about how the Union is more polite than Parliament, so clearly they don't agree with you on this

Well, it's not the public telling MPs to act like children in Parliament, that's their doing


That's fair, but the antics of people like Skinner don't help in that regard, is my point
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Liriena wrote:I'm not trying to take the piss at your expense. Honestly.

Look, I still stan South American feminism because that shit came from the bottom-up and has been doing a lot of heavy lifting for the rest of the left while they've been eating their own boogers, but the British situation is different and, while we're still gonna have our disagreements, I've really come to empathize a lot more with where you stand over the past couple of months. You're right about some shit.


I mean yeah men your economy is broke and this time the grassroots anti Jewish sentiment is legit. Dont take a germans advice or anything, that's obviously a different situation.


It's a bad idea man. The ideology is cancer and should not be institutionalized. Look at our country. Look at it.

I don't know what to tell you. I'm happy with the nascent women's movement we have now than without it. It's imperfect, it has many debates pending, but it's there because there was a genuine historical need for it and if there's anything insidious in there, it has yet to manifest.

The historical circumstances and needs of where I am are not the same as those where you are, though. Hell, even ideologies seldom make it across the Atlantic without changes.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:59 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Every time an MP or Minister gets invited to the Oxford Union they always make some remark about how the Union is more polite than Parliament, so clearly they don't agree with you on this

Ewwwww, politicians shouldn't be polite, they should conduct debates by hitting one another across the chamber with big nobbledy sticks.


Respectfully disagree, James
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Postby Hakons » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:00 pm

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Given how entrenched nationalist and unionist opinions are, what do you think caused such a big swing?

Well Claire is quite well liked by the population of South Belfast, but the main reason in my opinion is Brexit. Sinn Fein and the Greens didn’t run in order to maximise the remain vote behind one person to oust the DUP who are pro brexit, with south Belfast voting to remain in the referendum this put the DUP at odds with the populace and their vote share went down last election but not enough to cost them the seat but now the turn tables


That's interesting that brexit is a powerful enough force to break a deadlock as deep as that. It's funny that SF and SNP, nationalist parties, are gaining seats because they want to stay in the EU, usually something disliked by nationalist voters.
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The Nihilistic view wrote:Any word on Thornberry? I thought I read she might be in danger earlier today but not seen anything pop up on the feed.


Though I might be thinking of Flint.


Flint was gone like two hours ago.
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SD_Film Artists wrote:Along with Jo Swinson, it's surprising that my family constituency of North Norfolk has changed to the Tories after being a Lib Dem stronghold for nearly 2 decades.


I'm tired, I read that as lib dem stronghold for nearly 2 years first time round. :lol2:
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:01 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Good, 'parliamentary language' is far too stuffy.


Every time an MP or Minister gets invited to the Oxford Union they always make some remark about how the Union is more polite than Parliament, so clearly they don't agree with you on this

Or they're talking shite.


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Postby Shrillland » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:02 pm

SNP take Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath(Gordon Brown's old seat).
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Postby New Bremerton » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:02 pm

Chuka Umunna's out too. On the flip side, it looks like the constituency I used to live in may flip from Tory to Lib Dem. The Lib Dem challenger is former Labour MP Luciana Berger. Let's hope more of these traitors, leftists and antisemites are purged from the House of Commons.
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Ewwwww, politicians shouldn't be polite, they should conduct debates by hitting one another across the chamber with big nobbledy sticks.


Respectfully disagree, James

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:02 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Every time an MP or Minister gets invited to the Oxford Union they always make some remark about how the Union is more polite than Parliament, so clearly they don't agree with you on this

Or they're talking shite.


Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:Chuka Umunna not turning up to the declaration because he lost is gold


Chuka Umissing.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:03 pm

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SD_Film Artists wrote:Along with Jo Swinson, it's surprising that my family constituency of North Norfolk has changed to the Tories after being a Lib Dem stronghold for nearly 2 decades.


I'm tired, I read that as lib dem stronghold for nearly 2 years first time round. :lol2:


We have to be pleased with whatever we get :)
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:04 pm

At least the BBC was kind enough to give us advance warning of Nicola Sturgeon...
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:05 pm

I don't think Swinson is that much of a shock because thinking about it she lost the seat in 2015.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:06 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
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He's got into quite a lot of arguments with Bercow for being rude in Parliament and breaking protocol, like his whole "dodgy Dave" drama or his "half the Tories aren't crooks" nonsense

Good, 'parliamentary language' is far too stuffy.

you have not watched live streams of Parliament I take it.
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my seat is in. back up to SNP majority of 4900. not as bad as it could have been, but still, considering the majority used to be 60 labour must be very disappointed.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:06 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Remember when Swinson thought she could become PM?


Good fucking riddance, I can’t stand her. She’s truly awful.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:07 pm

Souseiseki wrote:my seat is in. back up to SNP majority of 4900. not as bad as it could have been, but still, considering the majority used to be 60 labour must be very disappointed.

So it's to be SNPseiseki then.
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Postby Elekted Godek » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:08 pm

The SNP has officially gotten more seats than they had before. They are at +1 for the night

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Conservatives take Birmingham Northfield.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:09 pm

this is a clear mandate for hard Brexit and to privatize the NHS.
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Into the home stretch, under 100 to go to 326. I'll go to bed once that happens I think.
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:10 pm

Oh God now we have to deal with a May interview.

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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:11 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:Into the home stretch, under 100 to go to 326. I'll go to bed once that happens I think.


annoying. i won't be comfortable going to bed until we're solid 50.
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