UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Fartsniffage]

So they want socialism on a country level?

If only there was a name for that

Left-nationalism. It's the most common form of socialism in the world. Like I said, playing stupid word games isn't convincing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_nationalism

Are you a left-nationalist?

[Ostroeuropa]

Left-nationalism. It's the most common form of socialism in the world. Like I said, playing stupid word games isn't convincing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_nationalism

Are you a left-nationalist?

I'm a socialist and a nationalist, so yes. Ideally a European nation, secondarily a British one, but i'd settle for an independent nationalist wales.

[Fartsniffage]

Are you a left-nationalist?

I'm a socialist and a nationalist, so yes. Ideally a European nation, secondarily a British one, but i'd settle for an independent nationalist wales.

Then you don't understand the basis of socialism. The idea that all people are equal. I wish you did.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm a socialist and a nationalist, so yes. Ideally a European nation, secondarily a British one, but i'd settle for an independent nationalist wales.

Then you don't understand the basis of socialism. The idea that all people are equal. I wish you did.

The basis of socialism is that workers should control the means of production through some means. Not all cultures are equal, that is post-modern nonsense, and the overwhelming majority of socialists in history have supported nationalism.

You and other post-modern types conflating post-modern nonsense with socialism is the whole problem.

[The Blaatschapen]

You clap, I cry. Fuck you sheep.

It's alright, my team plays second league and has not been keeping up the last few matches I know the feeling.

[Fartsniffage]

Then you don't understand the basis of socialism. The idea that all people are equal. I wish you did.

The basis of socialism is that workers should control the means of production through some means.

Like I said...

[Ostroeuropa]

The basis of socialism is that workers should control the means of production through some means.

Like I said...

No, you didn't. You're ascribing aspects to socialism that are not part of it. The overwhelming majority of socialists in history have been nationalists. Gandhi for instance didn't start some stateless commune devoid of national identity and character now did he, nor did any of the other anti-colonial left wing socialist nationalists.

For that matter the USSR and other comintern states were explicitly nationalistic after the Comintern elected to endorse that front.

This post-modern anarchistic shite has never been tried and is alien to the majority of socialists in history and the majority of socialists in the modern day. You're peddling nonsense akin to when feminists claim their narrow and myopic view of equality is the only valid one despite almost nobody agreeing with them. It's a stupid word game where you just define things to have your way and ignore the fact nobody agrees with you and never has.

This is why it's alienating so many people and why the modern left is in crisis.

There is a difference between INTER-nationalism, and anti-nationalism. Supporting solidarity between groups and supporting the abolition of groups so we can all be a chaotic mess.

When you talk to people who hate Corbyn, do they tend to go off about his socialism, or his perceived anti-britishness?

[Ifreann]

Socialism with British characteristics.

National Bocialism! Brilliant. The B stands for British.

From each according to their tea, to each according to their crumpets.

[The New California Republic]

National Bocialism! Brilliant. The B stands for British.

From each according to their tea, to each according to their crumpets.

I'm still dithering on the matter of whether I'm a socialist or not. Previously I've said that I'm not. I think perhaps I'm probably closer to being a fellow traveller than actually socialist.

[Shrillland]

Here's another one for the polls, the Greens are stepping aside in Chingford and Woodford Green to get Duncan Smith out: https://www.yahoo.com/news/general-election-green-candidate-steps-181500294.html

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Legit heard someone suggest 'english socialism' as a good name for the weird nationalist left-wing ideology they'd come up with a few months ago

IngSoc?

exactly

[The New California Republic]

Here's another one for the polls, the Greens are stepping aside in Chingford and Woodford Green to get Duncan Smith out: https://www.yahoo.com/news/general-election-green-candidate-steps-181500294.html

I honestly cannot remember an election like this, with this level of scheming between various parties to ensure people get knocked out of seats.

[Shrillland]

Here's another one for the polls, the Greens are stepping aside in Chingford and Woodford Green to get Duncan Smith out: https://www.yahoo.com/news/general-election-green-candidate-steps-181500294.html

I honestly cannot remember an election like this, with this level of scheming between various parties to ensure people get knocked out of seats.

Well, for a lot of voters, this is a matter of national life and death that hasn't been seen since....well, ever. Not even during WW2 was the UK ever in danger of internal collapse and breaking up.

[The New California Republic]

I honestly cannot remember an election like this, with this level of scheming between various parties to ensure people get knocked out of seats.

Well, for a lot of voters, this is a matter of national life and death that hasn't been seen since....well, ever. Not even during WW2 was the UK ever in danger of internal collapse and breaking up.

Oh I get that. As long as this style of election doesn't become the norm, as it just feels toxic as fuck tbh.

[Pasong Tirad]

Here's another one for the polls, the Greens are stepping aside in Chingford and Woodford Green to get Duncan Smith out: https://www.yahoo.com/news/general-election-green-candidate-steps-181500294.html

I honestly cannot remember an election like this, with this level of scheming between various parties to ensure people get knocked out of seats.

Tactical voting. That's first past the post for you.

[The Free Joy State]

I read a socialist magazine in a Library the other day. I am considering getting a subscription to it.

It comes once a month and it is red. What is it?

A periodical, clearly.

Legit heard someone suggest 'english socialism' as a good name for the weird nationalist left-wing ideology they'd come up with a few months ago

IngSoc?

Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Boris Johnson.

[Hirota]

Lib Dem candidate quits over some tweets emerging.

And I've got to say, they are certainly some spicy tweets, but they are back from 2010...why do people not scrub their social media the moment they think about getting into politics?

Anyway, he also is reportedly "honorary vice-president of the Liberal Democrat Campaign for Race Equality" according to his bio, and the beeb.

But that's now candidates from all the main parties (apart from maybe the SNP?) who have had candidates pull out for some social media archeology.

[The Archregimancy]

social media archeology.

'Archaeology', please.

We won't be having any of this US government spelling muck in this thread, not while an actual archaeologist is hanging around, anyway.

And it's not as if it's even standard American spelling. Every US professional society uses 'archaeology' (I should know; I used to be on the board of directors of one of them). It's only the US government, some state governments, and a couple of US universities that associate it with a theoretical movement that was popular in the 60s that use the spelling.

Please purge this monstrosity from your spell checkers

[Greater vakolicci haven]

social media archeology.

'Archaeology', please.

We won't be having any of this US government spelling muck in this thread, not while an actual archaeologist is hanging around, anyway.

And it's not as if it's even standard American spelling. Every US professional society uses 'archaeology' (I should know; I used to be on the board of directors of one of them). It's only the US government, some state governments, and a couple of US universities that associate it with a theoretical movement that was popular in the 60s that use the spelling.

Please purge this monstrosity from your spell checkers

Theoretical movement in archaeology? Do they differ from the usual practise of 'dig up old things?'

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

All those new candidates standing because so many MPs are standing down - I bet we will have an endless stream of scandals and resignations over forgotten social media posts.

Just deleting your social media accounts would not work.

[The Blaatschapen]

social media archeology.

'Archaeology', please.

We won't be having any of this US government spelling muck in this thread, not while an actual archaeologist is hanging around, anyway.

And it's not as if it's even standard American spelling. Every US professional society uses 'archaeology' (I should know; I used to be on the board of directors of one of them). It's only the US government, some state governments, and a couple of US universities that associate it with a theoretical movement that was popular in the 60s that use the spelling.

Please purge this monstrosity from your spell checkers

So what you're saying is that it is archaeic?

[Hirota]

social media archeology.

'Archaeology', please.

We won't be having any of this US government spelling muck in this thread, not while an actual archaeologist is hanging around, anyway.

And it's not as if it's even standard American spelling. Every US professional society uses 'archaeology' (I should know; I used to be on the board of directors of one of them). It's only the US government, some state governments, and a couple of US universities that associate it with a theoretical movement that was popular in the 60s that use the spelling.

Please purge this monstrosity from your spell checkers

this is what happens when you type on your phone before you've had coffee

[Vassenor]

We've had our first attempted data breach of the election.

Labour reveals large-scale cyber-attack on digital platforms

Guess these are just going to be a thing going forward.

[Dumb Ideologies]

All those new candidates standing because so many MPs are standing down - I bet we will have an endless stream of scandals and resignations over forgotten social media posts.

Just deleting your social media accounts would not work.

We need a shitpost amnesty. Register any potentially offensive comments made over 5 years ago with the police, if anyone then tries to bring then up they lose 20,000 social credit points and their twitter loicense is revoked.

[Philjia]

All the parties want to be in power really badly.

By which I mean they're doing a bad job of wanting to be in power.