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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Napkizemlja » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:18 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:so as it stands it seems likely that scottish nationalists will desstroy in scotland, irish nationalists will win a majority in northern ireland and the tories are basically english nationalists at this point. a big oof for the union tonight.

Mike Nesbit said tonight that the biggest threat to the union was not Irish nationalism, nor Scottish Nationalism but English Nationalism


If only more Unionist Politicians has his fucking foresight

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Nationalising rail mail and water - 60%.


Even calling yourself a feminist let alone other fringe hateful shit - 20%.


Sounds like a winner, just so long as you guys can keep being in denial and blame her for being too economically right wing when she does even worse as you conti ue to alienate people who arent nazis by another name.

Yeah, so, we can add this to the pile of reasons why the left should never listen to centrists, eh?


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Corbyn has barely clung on in his seat with a tiny majority of only 26000
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The Nihilistic view wrote:Who's enjoying themselves this evening? Or have I just entered the pit of despair?


I am enjoying this evening very much, but I have a feeling I will enjoy these results even more when I see the faces in my lecture in 8 hours.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:19 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:Who's enjoying themselves this evening? Or have I just entered the pit of despair?

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Removing LGBT stuff from schools until high school? Like, you mean, sex ed? Is teaching kids that they should use condoms when they have sex, gay or straight, suddenly a bad thing now? Or are you talking about bringing back Section 28 to the UK? Even though it blocked anti-bullying campaigns in public schools?

No this is about drag queens doing ‘story hour’ in primary schools. People can learn about gay sex in highschool -fine. But before then sexuality should be completely removed from lower education. It’s just not appropriate. The same goes for pride parades. People walking about with rainbow glitter on their cheeks? Eh, bigger fish to be frying. People cutting about in bdsm gear in a large city when children are out and about, not to mention overt phallic props and symbols. Just no. No.

This isn’t about homophobia it’s about public decency.


I witnessed a few Pride Parades in Oxford the years I was there, and I gotta say, I don't recall the BDSM gear and the phallic props. I just remember rainbow flags and people marching. Did I miss something?
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Postby Definitely Not Trumptonium » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:20 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yeah, so, we can add this to the pile of reasons why the left should never listen to centrists, eh?


Centrist has won elections, progressivism hasn't, it has been a burden and an albatross.


It's amazing to think that (despite Blair's flaws) at the end of this Parliament it will be have been fifty years (50!) since the last time Labour has won an election with someone other than Blair / views other than centrism.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:20 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Mike Nesbit said tonight that the biggest threat to the union was not Irish nationalism, nor Scottish Nationalism but English Nationalism


If only more Unionist Politicians has his fucking foresight

I thought you supported NI joining Ireland?

Oh I do. But I like Mike, he tends to be far more sensible and straightforward compared to most unionist politicians and he is right

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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:20 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:so as it stands it seems likely that scottish nationalists will desstroy in scotland, irish nationalists will win a majority in northern ireland and the tories are basically english nationalists at this point. a big oof for the union tonight.


Lol. We let progressives have a say and the country is literally going to fracture into pieces because that is 0referaboe to the majority.

Well then. Back to the drawing board.

Let's say British nationalism... but it's specifically anti-Tory and also anti-feminist of the "TRANS RIGHTS OK" variety? Just tell me how far you want me to turn the big dial that says "nationalism for non-nonces".
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Postby Greater Loegria » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:20 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:Who's enjoying themselves this evening? Or have I just entered the pit of despair?

I’m on a coach from Aberdeen to London and apparently we’re not allowed to drink alcohol on board so I’m mightily miffed and it’s hot enough in here to make pastry rise.
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Ifreann wrote:Someone please leak all the footage without the CGI. Show me a journalist striding about in a big green room, gesturing at nothing, please.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:21 pm

Shrillland wrote:Conservatives take West Bromwich East.

Wasn't George Galloway running there?
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Postby Napkizemlja » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:21 pm

Anyone angry at English nationalism should maybe stop and think that maybe once the UK decided to become a federal country it shouldn't half ass it and deny England (or at least the various regions of England) some form of autonomy. Take it from someone that lives in a federation (crypto-confederation but that's neither here nor there) that kind of resentment is eeeeeassssy to build up and unless it's addressed it will generally lash out without a care in the world. Trying to be a federal state while not being one is a recipe for disaster.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:21 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Corbyn has barely clung on in his seat with a tiny majority of only 26000


Well at least the number of people voting for him fell by more than 5,000 votes
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Brexit Party ran a Jew against Corbyn.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:22 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:Who's enjoying themselves this evening? Or have I just entered the pit of despair?

Enjoying up here in Iceland with mates from my own party, we hope to take away the government from a radical feminist hippie vegan in a few years in our elections

I'm rooting for the Icelandic Pirate Party.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:22 pm

Fair play to Nick the Brick for getting behind Corbz for this critical TV moment. Well played, sir.


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The New California Republic wrote:Yeah the "hologram" shit is just weird. Someone in the Beeb should troll him by making some holoporn and putting that around him instead. It is after the watershed after all...

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:22 pm

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The Nihilistic view wrote:Who's enjoying themselves this evening? Or have I just entered the pit of despair?


you know damn well


Well I feel relief more than anything I think. For the first time I think Brexit will get over the line, I've not thought that before.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:22 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:I thought you supported NI joining Ireland?

Oh I do. But I like Mike, he tends to be far more sensible and straightforward compared to most unionist politicians and he is right

English Nationalism stands to destroy the union more than Irish or Scottish Nationalism

Addressed this thing in my last post.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:22 pm

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Postby Shrillland » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:23 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Conservatives take West Bromwich East.

Wasn't George Galloway running there?


He was and he got 489 votes.

Conservatives take Barrow and Furness, and Delyn.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:23 pm

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Greater Loegria wrote:No this is about drag queens doing ‘story hour’ in primary schools. People can learn about gay sex in highschool -fine. But before then sexuality should be completely removed from lower education. It’s just not appropriate. The same goes for pride parades. People walking about with rainbow glitter on their cheeks? Eh, bigger fish to be frying. People cutting about in bdsm gear in a large city when children are out and about, not to mention overt phallic props and symbols. Just no. No.

This isn’t about homophobia it’s about public decency.


I witnessed a few Pride Parades in Oxford the years I was there, and I gotta say, I don't recall the BDSM gear and the phallic props. I just remember rainbow flags and people marching. Did I miss something?

Some pride parades actually ban the bdsm pride flag.
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