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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:45 pm

Purgatio wrote:
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Not in defence of others.


Battering people who want to slash the NHS is not self-defence or defence of others in any reasonable legal definition wtf man

What if we changed the legal definition?

I mean... you can't tell me that you've never found it a bit messed up that politicians can pass laws guaranteed to ruin the lives of you and others and can't face any legal repercussions unless they, like, personally poured poison into the water supply?
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on second thoughts setting my phone up to give me a notification for every constituency result was probably a bad idea.
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:on second thoughts setting my phone up to give me a notification for every constituency result was probably a bad idea.

Hah
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:47 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:I'm predicting a labour majority.

I predict an SNP majority. Nobody could have seen it coming.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:47 pm

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*** Warned for flaming *** ... here and the other places you've done that in this thread. Knock it off.


I’ll take the badge seeing as that health system he described as incompetent saved my life.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:47 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Not in defence of others.


Battering people who want to slash the NHS is not self-defence or defence of others in any reasonable legal definition wtf man


Pre-emptive strikes are legal.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:48 pm

Liriena wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Battering people who want to slash the NHS is not self-defence or defence of others in any reasonable legal definition wtf man

What if we changed the legal definition?

I mean... you can't tell me that you've never found it a bit messed up that politicians can pass laws guaranteed to ruin the lives of you and others and can't face any legal repercussions unless they, like, personally poured poison into the water supply?


We could, but changing the laws to allow open vigilantism and people straight up assaulting people they arbitrarily deem to have bad political views is a pretty dangerous door to open, especially if you believe in democracy and the marketplace of ideas. Just because a policy may result in deaths of some people doesn't mean its a bad policy or the person advocating it loses his right to bodily integrity. If someone suggests bringing back the death penalty and someone who disagrees with that view punches him in the face....that should be illegal.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:48 pm

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A comprehensive public healthcare system that is free at the point of access totally faile to find out wtf was wrong with my eye.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:48 pm

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You make a valid point.

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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:49 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Battering people who want to slash the NHS is not self-defence or defence of others in any reasonable legal definition wtf man


Pre-emptive strikes are legal.


He's perfectly entitled to believe that the government shouldn't coercively seize the fruits of his labour to pay for other people's healthcare. From his perspective, he is defending his private property rights.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:49 pm

Liriena wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Battering people who want to slash the NHS is not self-defence or defence of others in any reasonable legal definition wtf man

What if we changed the legal definition?

I mean... you can't tell me that you've never found it a bit messed up that politicians can pass laws guaranteed to ruin the lives of you and others and can't face any legal repercussions unless they, like, personally poured poison into the water supply?

Battering people who want to sell the NHS wouldn't stop the NHS from being sold.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:49 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:hold up guys heres how bernie can still win


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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:49 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Liriena wrote:What if we changed the legal definition?

I mean... you can't tell me that you've never found it a bit messed up that politicians can pass laws guaranteed to ruin the lives of you and others and can't face any legal repercussions unless they, like, personally poured poison into the water supply?

Battering people who want to sell the NHS wouldn't stop the NHS from being sold.

Not with that attitude.
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Sinn Fein landslide everyone. Britain loves them some Irish.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:50 pm

Liriena wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:I'm predicting a labour majority.

I predict an SNP majority. Nobody could have seen it coming.

Now that's a surprise result.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:50 pm

I guess this will be the neat summation of the night..

The Workington constituency, which was made a focus of the election campaigning as Workington Man was defined as a target voter, has elected a Conservative MP.

The shadow environment secretary, Sue Hayman, loses her seat. Here are the full results:

Mark Jenkinson (Conservatives) 20,488 (49.25%, up 7.52%)
Sue Hayman (Labour) 16,312 (39.21%, down 11.94%)
David Walker (Brexit party) 1,749 (4.20%)
Neil Hughes (Liberal Democrat) 1,525 (3.67%, up 0.95%)
Nicky Cockburn (Independent) 842 (2.02%, up 1.36%)
Jill Perry (Green) 596 (1.43%)
Roy Ivinson (Independent) 87 (0.21%)

A 9.73% swing from Labour to the Conservatives, overturning a Lab majority of 3,925 (9.42%) from 2017.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:50 pm

Elekted Godek wrote:Sinn Fein landslide everyone. Britain loves them some Irish.

The real IRA was inside us all along.
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Farnhamia wrote:*** Warned for flaming *** ... here and the other places you've done that in this thread. Knock it off.


I’ll take the badge seeing as that health system he described as incompetent saved my life.

I wouldn't. You've been warned for breaking the rules more than once with the same sophomoric insult. All you had to say was that the NHS saved your life. You didn't. That warning is not a badge of honor.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:51 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Liriena wrote:I predict an SNP majority. Nobody could have seen it coming.

Now that's a surprise result.

Given that the SNP didn't have candidates in most constituencies it'd be a sign of some absolutely grotesque vote rigging. :lol2:
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:52 pm

Liriena wrote:
Elekted Godek wrote:Sinn Fein landslide everyone. Britain loves them some Irish.

The real IRA was inside us all along.


Maybe the IRA was the friends we made along the way
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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:52 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:hold up guys heres how bernie can still win

Here's where the weird equivalence-rhetoric peddled by Sanders supporters re Corbyn will come back to (very mildly, not to an important/substantial degree) bite them... Corbyn and Sanders were never very similar beyond superficial aspects like looking like each other/being 'to the left' of the establishment
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