2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[San Lumen]

That's if Republicans haven't found a way to continue to cheat and keep winning with a minority of votes.

Cheating implies illegal action, which certainly has occurred, but it's not just tactics that you disapprove of.

They have suppressed votes of non whites and college students for years. They have drawn maps so its nearly impossible for them to lose several state legislatures. Wisconsin for example. Its quite possible democrats will win the popular vote by around ten percent again and not get the most seats. They would have to win by twenty to even have a shot. That's not democracy nor is it fair.

[Bear Stearns]

Cheating implies illegal action, which certainly has occurred, but it's not just tactics that you disapprove of.

They have suppressed votes of non whites and college students for years. They have drawn maps so its nearly impossible for them to lose several state legislatures. Wisconsin for example. Its quite possible democrats will win the popular vote by around ten percent again and not get the most seats. They would have to win by twenty to even have a shot. That's not democracy nor is it fair.

Literally all of these issues could just be solved by having voter ID. Republicans are even willing to go as far as to give every citizen 18 and up a voter ID free of charge. But I guess even that is too far.

[San Lumen]

They have suppressed votes of non whites and college students for years. They have drawn maps so its nearly impossible for them to lose several state legislatures. Wisconsin for example. Its quite possible democrats will win the popular vote by around ten percent again and not get the most seats. They would have to win by twenty to even have a shot. That's not democracy nor is it fair.

Literally all of these issues could just be solved by having voter ID. Republicans are even willing to go as far as to give every citizen 18 and up a voter ID free of charge. But I guess even that is too far.

No they aren't willing to do that. They know voter ID helps them win.

[Vassenor]

They have suppressed votes of non whites and college students for years. They have drawn maps so its nearly impossible for them to lose several state legislatures. Wisconsin for example. Its quite possible democrats will win the popular vote by around ten percent again and not get the most seats. They would have to win by twenty to even have a shot. That's not democracy nor is it fair.

Literally all of these issues could just be solved by having voter ID. Republicans are even willing to go as far as to give every citizen 18 and up a voter ID free of charge. But I guess even that is too far.

How does Voter ID solve disenfranchisement when it is itself a means of disenfranchisement?

Because no Republican has actually advocated for providing the ID free of charge to everyone.

[Vassenor]

Literally all of these issues could just be solved by having voter ID. Republicans are even willing to go as far as to give every citizen 18 and up a voter ID free of charge. But I guess even that is too far.

No they aren't willing to do that. They know voter ID helps them win.

But it's perfectly OK for a Concealed Carry Permit to be valid Voter ID but a Student Photocard to not be.

[San Lumen]

No they aren't willing to do that. They know voter ID helps them win.

But it's perfectly OK for a Concealed Carry Permit to be valid Voter ID but a Student Photocard to not be.

And yet they claim they believe in free and fair elections

[Northern Davincia]

Literally all of these issues could just be solved by having voter ID. Republicans are even willing to go as far as to give every citizen 18 and up a voter ID free of charge. But I guess even that is too far.

How does Voter ID solve disenfranchisement when it is itself a means of disenfranchisement?

Because no Republican has actually advocated for providing the ID free of charge to everyone.

If voter ID was made universal, would there be any reason to oppose it?

[Gormwood]

It's good to suck up to authoritarian dictators?

This isn't really something anyone in the US government can criticize her of without being a hypocrite. I'll take the one who is at least anti-war.

Given Gabbard sucks up to a guy who ordered demonstrators shot and set off a civil war it would be hypocritical if it turns out she supports the Hong Kong protesters instead of the CCP.

[Northern Davincia]

This isn't really something anyone in the US government can criticize her of without being a hypocrite. I'll take the one who is at least anti-war.

Given Gabbard sucks up to a guy who ordered demonstrators shot and set off a civil war it would be hypocritical if it turns out she supports the Hong Kong protesters instead of the CCP.

Maybe because removing Assad would be a horrible decision.

[Shrillland]

How does Voter ID solve disenfranchisement when it is itself a means of disenfranchisement?

Because no Republican has actually advocated for providing the ID free of charge to everyone.

If voter ID was made universal, would there be any reason to oppose it?

Honestly, no. The fact remains, however, that in many states voter ID is set up to disenfranchise people and discourage them from voting, since IDs do cost money in many states, and even just $5 or $10 is unaffordable when you're poor enough, still less that the people can't get to the DMV or courthouse to get their IDs in many cases

[Chan Island]

How does Voter ID solve disenfranchisement when it is itself a means of disenfranchisement?

Because no Republican has actually advocated for providing the ID free of charge to everyone.

If voter ID was made universal, would there be any reason to oppose it?

Not really, but chicken and egg. First implement the ID, make sure everyone has it, give it a grace period where everyone gets used to always having their ID, then put in a voter ID law.

[Bear Stearns]

This isn't really something anyone in the US government can criticize her of without being a hypocrite. I'll take the one who is at least anti-war.

Given Gabbard sucks up to a guy who ordered demonstrators shot and set off a civil war it would be hypocritical if it turns out she supports the Hong Kong protesters instead of the CCP.

She doesn't suck up to him, she just thinks we shouldn't invade his country.

[Tombradyonia]

Literally all of these issues could just be solved by having voter ID. Republicans are even willing to go as far as to give every citizen 18 and up a voter ID free of charge. But I guess even that is too far.

How does Voter ID solve disenfranchisement when it is itself a means of disenfranchisement?

Because no Republican has actually advocated for providing the ID free of charge to everyone.

And they always make it as hard as possible to actually get some ID, especially in majority African-American districts, and there's totally no agenda behind that at all, no sir not at all.

We could have voter ID coupled with automatic voter registrations. Would solve that mythical voter fraud problem the right loves complaining about (but can never seem to be bothered to actually prove). Not a citizen? You're not registered. Simple.

And no GOP state legislature BS laws like "you can get voter ID but only between 10 and 11 on every fifth tuesday of the month" or other sort of shenanigans they always use to suppress registration of non-right-wing-preferred groups.

[Chan Island]

Given Gabbard sucks up to a guy who ordered demonstrators shot and set off a civil war it would be hypocritical if it turns out she supports the Hong Kong protesters instead of the CCP.

She doesn't suck up to him, she just thinks we shouldn't invade his country.

Which is an entirely reasonable position why it’s lowkey annoying how much this obvious smear is used.

[Zurkerx]

They have suppressed votes of non whites and college students for years. They have drawn maps so its nearly impossible for them to lose several state legislatures. Wisconsin for example. Its quite possible democrats will win the popular vote by around ten percent again and not get the most seats. They would have to win by twenty to even have a shot. That's not democracy nor is it fair.

Literally all of these issues could just be solved by having voter ID. Republicans are even willing to go as far as to give every citizen 18 and up a voter ID free of charge. But I guess even that is too far.

I'm just perfectly fine with registering everyone that's a citizen when they turn 18 to vote and send them voting cards. Would save the hassle in all honesty. Giving people the option to register at the DMV too isn't a bad idea and put it on their license. Voting is after all, one of the most important rights to have.

[Vassenor]

Literally all of these issues could just be solved by having voter ID. Republicans are even willing to go as far as to give every citizen 18 and up a voter ID free of charge. But I guess even that is too far.

I'm just perfectly fine with registering everyone that's a citizen when they turn 18 to vote and send them voting cards. Would save the hassle in all honesty. Giving people the option to register at the DMV too isn't a bad idea and put it on their license. Voting is after all, one of the most important rights to have.

I thought free and unfettered access to guns was the most important right though. That's what the Republicans keep saying after all.

[Gormwood]

I'm just perfectly fine with registering everyone that's a citizen when they turn 18 to vote and send them voting cards. Would save the hassle in all honesty. Giving people the option to register at the DMV too isn't a bad idea and put it on their license. Voting is after all, one of the most important rights to have.

I thought free and unfettered access to guns was the most important right though. That's what the Republicans keep saying after all.

Guns are now considered valid forms of ID for voting.

[Byzconia]

Sanders nabs another key progressive group endorsement: People's Action

This group represents 1 million voters as Sanders got 74% of the ballots cast by Delegates of the organization. Warren, who was once, close and even surpassing Sanders, seems to have fallen far behind, especially among Progressive endorsements. Unless we're in for a surprise, the race has come down to either Biden or Sanders it seems for now.

Translation: If Trump isn't impeached it'll be four more years. Trump would run circles around both of them in a debate and the two wings of the Democratic party would not vote for the other candidate, i.e. moderates won't vote for Sanders and progs won't vote for Biden.

Except, according to the vast majority of polls (even polls on Fox News of all places), Sanders beats Trump one-on-one. He's literally the most popular politician in America. People forget, he may be running as a Democrat, but he's not a Democrat. Believe it or not, that has appeal to people, especially Independents.

[Byzconia]

They have suppressed votes of non whites and college students for years. They have drawn maps so its nearly impossible for them to lose several state legislatures. Wisconsin for example. Its quite possible democrats will win the popular vote by around ten percent again and not get the most seats. They would have to win by twenty to even have a shot. That's not democracy nor is it fair.

Literally all of these issues could just be solved by having voter ID. Republicans are even willing to go as far as to give every citizen 18 and up a voter ID free of charge. But I guess even that is too far.

How on Earth are any of these problems solved by voter ID? I've got an easier: stop fucking doing it. They don't have to purge voters and gerrymander districts (among other things), they choose to do that. This is like if I lit a building on fire and said, "Well, I wouldn't have lit it on fire if it were already on fire. This clearly isn't my fault."

[Byzconia]

How does Voter ID solve disenfranchisement when it is itself a means of disenfranchisement?

Because no Republican has actually advocated for providing the ID free of charge to everyone.

If voter ID was made universal, would there be any reason to oppose it?

At that point, why not just use regular ID? I love how the party of "small government" is completely fine with adding extra red tape for literally no reason.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

If voter ID was made universal, would there be any reason to oppose it?

At that point, why not just use regular ID? I love how the party of "small government" is completely fine with adding extra red tape for literally no reason.

Regular ID works just as well

[Byzconia]

Given Gabbard sucks up to a guy who ordered demonstrators shot and set off a civil war it would be hypocritical if it turns out she supports the Hong Kong protesters instead of the CCP.

She doesn't suck up to him, she just thinks we shouldn't invade his country.

In America, those are seen as the same thing. Even for "liberals." Neoconservatism has really poisoned our foreign policy (not that it was that great to begin with).

[Byzconia]

I'm just perfectly fine with registering everyone that's a citizen when they turn 18 to vote and send them voting cards. Would save the hassle in all honesty. Giving people the option to register at the DMV too isn't a bad idea and put it on their license. Voting is after all, one of the most important rights to have.

I thought free and unfettered access to guns was the most important right though. That's what the Republicans keep saying after all.

Funny enough, it also seems to be the only right they actually care about.

[Galloism]

I'm just perfectly fine with registering everyone that's a citizen when they turn 18 to vote and send them voting cards. Would save the hassle in all honesty. Giving people the option to register at the DMV too isn't a bad idea and put it on their license. Voting is after all, one of the most important rights to have.

I thought free and unfettered access to guns was the most important right though. That's what the Republicans keep saying after all.

We could also send them a free gun when they turn 18, in addition to their voter card.

[Northern Davincia]

If voter ID was made universal, would there be any reason to oppose it?

At that point, why not just use regular ID? I love how the party of "small government" is completely fine with adding extra red tape for literally no reason.

Regular ID should be okay too.