2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[Kowani]

I regret to inform you that all democracies work that way.

i regret to inform you that it is my opinion that you, people who think like you must be opposed by any and all means,

That’s nice. I’ll be over here in reality.

[Pannerstone]

i regret to inform you that it is my opinion that you, people who think like you must be opposed by any and all means,

That’s nice. I’ll be over here in reality.

The reality that they will have to send in the NG to have even a tiny chance of stopping virginia?

[Napkizemlja]

do the more numerous have the right to dictate what rights we do and dont have?

Yes?

If the majority of the US decided that black people no longer have rights and have to return to the cotton fields, would that be just?

[Pannerstone]

Yes?

If the majority of the US decided that black people no longer have rights and have to return to the cotton fields, would that be just?

Apparently government can do whatever it wants as long as it gets the green light

[San Lumen]

Jay Inslee is running for a third term as governor in Washington next year and will most likely get it due to getting large margins in the Puget Sound region which is most of the population but the republican candidate will get more votes.

By your logic the republican should win because be he or she got more land area am I correct?

No i want people who love the constitution to win

Great dodge. Republicans clearly hate the constitution because they don’t like that they can’t win every single election and that crops and cattle can’t vote.

Who are you to say who does and doesn’t love the constitution? The second amendment isn’t absolute but I see this is the sole thing you care about and the heck with anything else.

[Pannerstone]

No i want people who love the constitution to win

Great dodge. Republicans clearly hate the constitution because they don’t like that they can’t win every single election and that crops and cattle can’t vote.

Who are you to say who does and doesn’t love the constitution? The second amendment isn’t absolute but I see this is the sole thing you care about and the heck with anything else.

welp, if your so concerned about Virginians being out of line your welcome to grab a weapon(legally and restricted by your own beliefs) and do a citizens arrest.

[Kowani]

That’s nice. I’ll be over here in reality.

The reality that they will have to send in the NG to have even a tiny chance of stopping virginia?

What?

Yes?

If the majority of the US decided that black people no longer have rights and have to return to the cotton fields, would that be just?

Nothing to be with justice. It would be.

[Kowani]

If the majority of the US decided that black people no longer have rights and have to return to the cotton fields, would that be just?

Apparently government can do whatever it wants as long as it gets the green light

I mean…it can. That’s physical reality.

[Napkizemlja]

The reality that they will have to send in the NG to have even a tiny chance of stopping virginia?

What?

If the majority of the US decided that black people no longer have rights and have to return to the cotton fields, would that be just?

Nothing to be with justice. It would be.

Wow.

[Galloism]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -white-men

Barack Obama is going after old men. His real target is Bernie Sanders

While you won’t see former president Barack Obama appearing at any town halls or any public events as the Democrats seek to oust Donald Trump from the White House, you can, if you can afford it, see him in a series of rooms – ballrooms, conference rooms, small theaters – talking to donors about what he thinks everyone else is doing wrong. His exasperation has found several targets at these private events, from the young activists he accused of just being mad online to the old white men running for office he accused of “not getting out of the way”.

At this latest event in Singapore, Obama announced that women were “indisputably” better leaders than men. If the whole world was run by women, Obama speculated, “you would see a significant improvement across the board on … living standards and outcomes”.

While potentially opening himself up to a million hate tweets by Hillary Clinton supporters still upset about 2008 and 2016, the comments seem pointed at one old white man in particular: Bernie Sanders.

There are two old white men in running for the nomination: Sanders and his good ole pal best bud forever, Joe Biden. The billionaires Michael Bloomberg and Tom Steyer don’t count here because I’m not convinced they’re not both Spider-Man villains. And while Obama’s withholding of an official endorsement for his former vice-president does seem pointed, the more likely target of his continued frustration is Sanders.

Just last month, it was reported by Politico that Obama had privately spoken about the Vermont senator seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, saying that while he is mostly taking a hands off approach to the primary, if Sanders started to win he would “speak up to stop him”.

It’s not clear what Obama’s interference could do that the media’s strange silence about Sanders’s campaign hasn’t already done. The mass media has been avoiding using Sanders’s name like they’re trying to avoid summoning Beetlejuice. But Obama’s hostility is understandable, given that Sanders is the candidate most outspoken about putting a stop to the great neoliberal experiment that privatized all services, hollowed out the middle class and removed most social welfare safety nets, an experiment Obama was an enthusiastic facilitator of. This isn’t the first verbal subtweet the former president has made, insisting earlier this year that the electorate didn’t want revolution – which is I guess how someone like him sees a project like nationalized health insurance – only “improvement”.

What makes this latest statement even odder is that there is no clear candidate he could be supporting with his championing of women leaders. Elizabeth Warren is the highest woman in the polls, but his administration was excessively antagonistic toward her back when she was pushing for them to create the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. It’s unlikely a lovefest will develop between the two now.

Maybe it was just vague virtue signalling and scoring easy points with centrist feminists? Just another bland platitude they can slap on a T-shirt and sell on Etsy? It would be boring to list all of the women leaders who would immediately disprove Obama’s claims about women leaders. Margaret Thatcher! Imelda Marcos! We gave Aung San Suu Kyi both a Nobel peace prize and a whole U2 song about her and even that couldn’t keep her from committing crimes against humanity. It’s almost – almost – like the real problem here is power and its morally corrupting qualities and not who is doing the wielding of it.

The Obama legacy is still in flux. He exited the White House with a rosy glow, and in the early days of the Trump administration, one could easily look back at the Obama administration with a nostalgic longing for its dignity, its lack of scandal and its “good” taste.

But as the offenses of the Trump administration mounted, from highly visible mass deportations to the Muslim ban to military interventions overseas, more and more people started to notice many of these policy positions were either started or continued by the Obamas.

Michelle Obama recently announced that she can be friends with the former president George W Bush because “our values are the same”. People were outraged, but if you compare administrations, you start to see what those values they share truly are. They both valued waging war in foreign countries and supporting the removal of their leaders. They both valued prosecuting government whistleblowers and conducting massive surveillance against its own people. They both valued bailing out and subsidizing banks and corporations over citizens.

Many of the candidates for the Democratic nominee also share these values, from Pete “Definitely Not CIA” Buttigieg to Amy “We Can’t Have Nice Things” Klobuchar to Elizabeth “Good Capitalist” Warren. Of course he’d be maneuvering against the one candidate who values different things, like economic justice and fewer deaths from people who can’t afford their medically necessary insulin.

Or maybe the Obamas just saw on Wikipedia that their net worth is somewhere around $70m, and they’re trying to avoid paying Sanders’s wealth tax. Either way, Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who consistently scares the political establishment, and the Obamas can’t stop themselves from showing whose side they’re on.

You know Obama, maybe you need to get out of the way. It's despicable to see him engage in outright sexism like this - insisting one sex is better than the other outright - but it also explains so many of the things that took place under his watch as president. The refusal to create a white house council on boys and men, the de jure sexism in the ACA, the dear colleague letter that resulted in the rampant discrimination against minorities on campus, etc.

There's a reason why Obama fears Bernie. I think it's because he will go much further than Obama dared.

[Loben The 2nd]

i regret to inform you that it is my opinion that you, people who think like you must be opposed by any and all means,

So bring down europe then and do tyranny of minority?

yes to the former, no to the latter.

[Loben The 2nd]

yes to the former, no to the latter.

Bring down every democracy in europe? That's insane.

its not insane, its simply being ahead of the curve.

[Shrillland]

After tonight, I'm wondering if her abstentions are the real reason Gabbard decided not to show up for Tomorrow Night. It would've been...interesting to watch if she decided to stay in.

[Gormwood]

Bring down every democracy in europe? That's insane.

its not insane, its simply being ahead of the curve.

Okay Heath Ledger.

[Shrillland]

Plus, this could, if the trial lasts long enough(though that probably won't happen) mean that Sanders, Warren, and Klobuchar can't attend the January debate: https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-impeachment-trial-could-trap-senators-in-dc-at-the-height-of-the-campaign-how-warren-sanders-and-others-plan-to-survive-203005282.html

Talk about constitutional flaws...five presidential candidates will be part of their opponent's jury. Truly the conflict of interest to end all conflicts of interest.

[Farnhamia]

Plus, this could, if the trial lasts long enough(though that probably won't happen) mean that Sanders, Warren, and Klobuchar can't attend the January debate: https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-impeachment-trial-could-trap-senators-in-dc-at-the-height-of-the-campaign-how-warren-sanders-and-others-plan-to-survive-203005282.html

Talk about constitutional flaws...five presidential candidates will be part of their opponent's jury. Truly the conflict of interest to end all conflicts of interest.

No way the trial will last that long. McConnell wants it over and done, so the RNC can keep shouting about how wonderful Trump is.

[Shrillland]

Plus, this could, if the trial lasts long enough(though that probably won't happen) mean that Sanders, Warren, and Klobuchar can't attend the January debate: https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-impeachment-trial-could-trap-senators-in-dc-at-the-height-of-the-campaign-how-warren-sanders-and-others-plan-to-survive-203005282.html

Talk about constitutional flaws...five presidential candidates will be part of their opponent's jury. Truly the conflict of interest to end all conflicts of interest.

No way the trial will last that long. McConnell wants it over and done, so the RNC can keep shouting about how wonderful Trump is.

The latter problem remains, though. The GOP will have a field month with it.

[Farnhamia]

No way the trial will last that long. McConnell wants it over and done, so the RNC can keep shouting about how wonderful Trump is.

The latter problem remains, though. The GOP will have a field month with it.

"We're doing our job. President Trump was campaigning on the day he was impeached."

[Shrillland]

The latter problem remains, though. The GOP will have a field month with it.

"We're doing our job. President Trump was campaigning on the day he was impeached."

Yeah, but it'll still be spun pretty well by the Republicans, and I'm sure Trump himself would use the line every chance he got.

[The South Falls]

"We're doing our job. President Trump was campaigning on the day he was impeached."

Yeah, but it'll still be spun pretty well by the Republicans, and I'm sure Trump himself would use the line every chance he got.

They'll make everything into rhymes and monikers to deride representatives. They'll incessantly parrot them to their bases until the next noteworthy event occurs

[Byzconia]

Bring down every democracy in europe? That's insane.

its not insane, its simply being ahead of the curve.

And replace them with what, exactly? Absolute monarchies? Fascist dictatorships? Europe's already tried these things, they didn't end well for anybody.

[Northern Davincia]

its not insane, its simply being ahead of the curve.

And replace them with what, exactly? Absolute monarchies? Fascist dictatorships? Europe's already tried these things, they didn't end well for anybody.

Enlightened aristocratic despotism.

[The Black Forrest]

And replace them with what, exactly? Absolute monarchies? Fascist dictatorships? Europe's already tried these things, they didn't end well for anybody.

Enlightened aristocratic despotism.

The French had a solution for that.

[Northern Davincia]

Enlightened aristocratic despotism.

The French had a solution for that.

As did Napoleon.

[Saturna1ia]

Are there still people here who support Gabbard? Because it's official, she has no spine. At least take a side. A censure vote is probably not going to happen, and she knows it.