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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
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62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:22 am

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Not necessarily. Sanders actually does good with younger African Americans, just not well with older ones. If Biden wasn't in the race, he would be leading with them. Not sure I would say it'll be between the two of them though: still too early.


Either way, Buttigieg I don't see surviving Super Tuesday unless he manages to completely 180 his support among that key Democratic bloc.

He'll fall right into the same trap Sanders did in 2016.


Likely yes. He'll need a big turn around.

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Zurkerx wrote:Breaking: Kamala Harris drops out of presidential race

Yes. Yes. Yes! Finally. Despite qualifying for the next debate, she wasn't going anywhere.


This might give other candidates a noteable polling boost, too, since while she was stagnating she still held a (comparatively) significant chunk of primary voters in her camp.

It's not a surprise, though, considering all the reports we've been getting of her campaign crashing and burning from the inside.


I would imagine this bunch would go to either Biden, Sanders, Warren, or Buttigieg. At this point, I don't see others gaining a significant bump.

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Zurkerx wrote:Breaking: Kamala Harris drops out of presidential race

Yes. Yes. Yes! Finally. Despite qualifying for the next debate, she wasn't going anywhere.

FINALLY! :D

The only good thing she did was crush Biden and Tulsi.


She really never crushed anyone. She dented Biden for sure but he rebounded and fully recovered. And Tulsi crushed her, which caused Harris' demised.
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Postby Nazariles » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:31 am

So Harris has stepped down? Maybe she realized that the polls clearly weren't going to favor her throughout the primaries
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:47 am

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Likely yes. He'll need a big turn around.



I would imagine this bunch would go to either Biden, Sanders, Warren, or Buttigieg. At this point, I don't see others gaining a significant bump.



She really never crushed anyone. She dented Biden for sure but he rebounded and fully recovered. And Tulsi crushed her, which caused Harris' demised.

Yeah but then she got her revenge on Tulsi. They crushed each other, and that makes me very happy.


Eh, that really had no effect on Tulsi. Might had an impact but I didn't see it that way. Now Buttigieg crushing Tulsi on the other hand is a different story.

In any case, this means now at most, 8 candidates will qualify, those other two potentially being Yang and Gabbard. The likes of Booker, Castro, and others are done for- well, all but four are done for, but to be relevant at least, one must make the debates. Harris dropping out is a clear sign for others to go.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:38 pm

And then there were 15. Democratic primaries is still a game of Breakout.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:41 pm

Gormwood wrote:And then there were 15. Democratic primaries is still a game of Breakout.

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Postby Shrillland » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:11 pm

Now there's just...15 candidates and 4 major ones. Here's hoping it goes down more as December progresses.
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Postby Idzequitch » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:44 pm

I hate gloating, so I won't. But I will just say that I did not want Kamala Harris to be the Democratic nominee for President, and I'm glad that she, unlike many of the other candidates with no realistic shot, can recognize reality and see that she wasn't gaining any traction. I don't like her, but I do respect this decision. Now it will be interesting to see where her supporters go. Since in this primary, 5% is actually a decent chunk of voters.

Also, I have to say that I'm glad to see the 6th debate go back down to 6 qualifiers. Less is better.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:47 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Warren, Buttigieg, Bernie, Biden, Yang, will be the five finalists.

I think that is a fair assessment

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Postby Pacomia » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:48 pm

Idzequitch wrote:I hate gloating, so I won't. But I will just say that I did not want Kamala Harris to be the Democratic nominee for President, and I'm glad that she, unlike many of the other candidates with no realistic shot, can recognize reality and see that she wasn't gaining any traction. I don't like her, but I do respect this decision. Now it will be interesting to see where her supporters go. Since in this primary, 5% is actually a decent chunk of voters.

Also, I have to say that I'm glad to see the 6th debate go back down to 6 qualifiers. Less is better.

Didn't realise she had dropped out. I'm glad she did.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:49 pm

Imho Warren should drop out and start campaigning hard for Bernie. Splitting the progressive vote is gonna lead nowhere and will likely just result in Biden winning the nomination.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:50 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Warren, Buttigieg, Bernie, Biden, Yang, will be the five finalists.

I don't know man, I get Yangs emails and they don't seem like a campaign that's killing it. Every third one sounds like someone bucketing water out of a boat.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:59 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Warren, Buttigieg, Bernie, Biden, Yang, will be the five finalists.


This is fair though Yang won't make it far: one needs 15% or more in the primaries or caucuses to get Delegates, and Yang has no shot at breaking even 10% in my mind. It probably would be different if it was just the five of them remaining by Iowa, but for as good of a run Yang has had, he's bound to hit the wall eventually. Then again, this nomination process remains fluid so who knows what will happen.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Imho Warren should drop out and start campaigning hard for Bernie. Splitting the progressive vote is gonna lead nowhere and will likely just result in Biden winning the nomination.


It would certainly help either Sanders or Warren if one or the other dropped out but both have their eyes on the prize so that's unlikely. It's going to take a piss ass showing in both Iowa and New Hampshire from one of them before they drop out. Biden though I don't see winning: there's not enthusiasm around his campaign. He's only being carried forward because he was Obama's VP.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:02 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:I don't know man, I get Yangs emails and they don't seem like a campaign that's killing it. Every third one sounds like someone bucketing water out of a boat.

I feel you. Yang's emails seem desperate, like they're pushing their grassroots support to it's limits. His supporters don't seem to mind though.

I am worried, but not because Yang's running a bad campaign-more like he's showing his grassroots campaign is doing very well but unless you're Bernie or Warren, grassroots donations can't sustain a campaign. I feel like his campaign if it fails will prove that.

Or, you know...he just didn't resonate.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:06 pm

I liked Kamala.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:11 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Biden is a poor candidate.

Luckily, his supporters are very tolerant people.

God bless them.

Hes probably going to be the nominee and with his constant fumbles and slips I very much worry he will blow the election

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:12 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Hes probably going to be the nominee and with his constant fumbles and slips I very much worry he will blow the election

He isn't being affected in general election polls.

I have no bloody clue why.

That will change once the general election starts.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:15 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:I liked Kamala.


Hmmm? I didn’t. Her personal skills were rather lacking. She tended to grate on my nerves when she was in rant mode. Probably; remembering a teacher and or Nun from my past. :D

There was also a story about her knowingly keeping an innocent man in prision.

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Postby Shrillland » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:31 pm

I think it'll be either Biden or Warren myself, and I'd personally prefer Warren. I'll take what I can get, but I know who I'd prefer.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:50 pm

Shrillland wrote:I think it'll be either Biden or Warren myself, and I'd personally prefer Warren. I'll take what I can get, but I know who I'd prefer.


I'd vote for Warren out of the top 5 candidates, personally.
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“Or the ones inside their district” suggests you’re talking about people within the districts. That’s what the question was about.

In full form, the question was “are not they not representing the people in their district?”.


Not all of them, of course.


Well, duh. You can’t get 100% of the vote without some rigging going on.

What’s the significance of it? You’re insinuating some things very vaguely.
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Not all of them, of course.


Well, duh. You can’t get 100% of the vote without some rigging going on.

What’s the significance of it? You’re insinuating some things very vaguely.


Vague posts are kinda his thing.
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Postby True Refuge » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:04 pm

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Well, duh. You can’t get 100% of the vote without some rigging going on.

What’s the significance of it? You’re insinuating some things very vaguely.


Vague posts are kinda his thing.


I’m not sure where this line of posts is going though. He can’t call me a liar for giving an interpretation of his minimally explained opinions just yet, so what’s going on?

They’re extra vague this time.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:08 pm

True Refuge wrote:
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Vague posts are kinda his thing.


I’m not sure where this line of posts is going though.

Down a rabbit hole.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:44 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Imho Warren should drop out and start campaigning hard for Bernie. Splitting the progressive vote is gonna lead nowhere and will likely just result in Biden winning the nomination.

I'm not a huge fan of hers but I don't think it's that time yet. If/when she does poorly in Iowa, then yes.
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