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Would you take the deal?

No (please explain)
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17%
Yes (I would feel no resentment, this is 100% a gain overall and the King is really doing me a favor)
21
30%
Yes (I would feel little bit of resentment, I am gaining more than I'm losing so I won't feel TOO resentful, but its still a bit patronizing)
16
23%
Yes (I would feel moderate resentment, I am human and I cannot help it, this is exploitation)
6
9%
Yes (I would feel a lot of resentment, I 100% hate the fact that I have to do this, those smug royals, if I could I would get rid of them all)
6
9%
Other
8
12%
 
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:21 am

Alvecia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think it can be a great time to live in, depending on your luck

If that’s your metric then there is literally no time in human existence that isn’t “a good time to live” and this the label is meaningless.


The best time to live is when you are alive :)
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:23 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Alvecia wrote:If that’s your metric then there is literally no time in human existence that isn’t “a good time to live” and this the label is meaningless.


The best time to live is when you are alive :)

The dead probably have a lot to say on that matter.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:36 am

Heloin wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
The best time to live is when you are alive :)

The dead probably have a lot to say on that matter.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:33 am

New haven america wrote:Wheelchairs and medicine in Medieval Europe? Really?

Uh, no, the crippled die and the sick get bloodletted until they die of blood loss. (As was the case until the 1800's)


IM scenarios usually have an in-universe sympathy for the disabled
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:13 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
New haven america wrote:Wheelchairs and medicine in Medieval Europe? Really?

Uh, no, the crippled die and the sick get bloodletted until they die of blood loss. (As was the case until the 1800's)


IM scenarios usually have an in-universe sympathy for the disabled

We all know really where this scenario comes from.
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That is why I planned to pay all her medical bills, as long as I could use the her in promotional materials. Maybe wheel her around a few rallies where -- due to unfortunately heavy sedation -- she'd be unable to give any speeches (she seems likely to remind people that... you know, my character let her fall), but my character would be able to do all the talking:

"People of France, look at this woman! Look at what this corrupt country has done to her! If Leblanc could only talk, she would urge you to rise up against our oppressors, against the people whose system perpetuates these heinous crimes!"
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:16 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
IM scenarios usually have an in-universe sympathy for the disabled

We all know really where this scenario comes from.
The Free Joy State wrote:No, she is of more value to the glorious revolution alive!

That is why I planned to pay all her medical bills, as long as I could use the her in promotional materials. Maybe wheel her around a few rallies where -- due to unfortunately heavy sedation -- she'd be unable to give any speeches (she seems likely to remind people that... you know, my character let her fall), but my character would be able to do all the talking:

"People of France, look at this woman! Look at what this corrupt country has done to her! If Leblanc could only talk, she would urge you to rise up against our oppressors, against the people whose system perpetuates these heinous crimes!"


it was actually inspired by the NS Mascot Issue (where Option 1 I think was to use a disabled mascot)

it came up in Issues for me today

then I decided to weave it into the Annie verse for a Generals discussion/moral dilemma
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:22 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:We all know really where this scenario comes from.


it was actually inspired by the NS Mascot Issue (where Option 1 I think was to use a disabled mascot)

it came up in Issues for me today

then I decided to weave it into the Annie verse for a Generals discussion/moral dilemma
Say what you will, we all know the truth.
We are proud of the Leblanc Battalion,
And the stand against kings that they made,
For they fought like true sons and daughters.
As part of the People's Brigade.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:32 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
it was actually inspired by the NS Mascot Issue (where Option 1 I think was to use a disabled mascot)

it came up in Issues for me today

then I decided to weave it into the Annie verse for a Generals discussion/moral dilemma
Say what you will, we all know the truth.
We are proud of the Leblanc Battalion,
And the stand against kings that they made,
For they fought like true sons and daughters.
As part of the People's Brigade.

We shall remember the LeBlanc Liberation Army.

LeBlanc's flag is deepest red
It's shrouded oft our martyred dead
Our banner bright, our symbol plain
Of human right and human gain

Then raise LeBlanc's red standard high
Beneath its shade, we'll never die
Though some may flinch and others fear
We'll keep her red flag flying here!
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:43 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Heloin wrote:Say what you will, we all know the truth.

We shall remember the LeBlanc Liberation Army.

LeBlanc's flag is deepest red
It's shrouded oft our martyred dead
Our banner bright, our symbol plain
Of human right and human gain

Then raise LeBlanc's red standard high
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We'll keep her red flag flying here!

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:46 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Alvecia wrote:If that’s your metric then there is literally no time in human existence that isn’t “a good time to live” and this the label is meaningless.


The best time to live is when you are alive :)

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:46 am

Alvecia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think it can be a great time to live in, depending on your luck

If that’s your metric then there is literally no time in human existence that isn’t “a good time to live” and this the label is meaningless.


I don't find the situation in the OP entirely disagreeable

it's not a great situation for sure

but not as hellish as others make it out to be

at the same time, I'd go for the option with the treatment probability because of course, I'd rather be able to walk
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:47 am

UIS Leviathan wrote:Setting aside the fact I’d be quite distrustful of my adoptive family, as that whole story is a bit fishy, I’d accept it. I hate monarchies, or anything of the sort, however this is medieval times, it’s really to be expected. Besides that, I see nothing wrong with it. I don’t really find it to personally be exploitation, as I’m being quite handsomely rewarded, and given the possibility of being able to walk again. I can’t say I see a downside to this.


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Postby Alvecia » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:52 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Alvecia wrote:If that’s your metric then there is literally no time in human existence that isn’t “a good time to live” and this the label is meaningless.


I don't find the situation in the OP entirely disagreeable

it's not a great situation for sure

but not as hellish as others make it out to be

at the same time, I'd go for the option with the treatment probability because of course, I'd rather be able to walk

Your OP is not even historically accurate. Or even accurate to reality for that matter, what with the literal magic and all.

I’m sure being Jew during World War 2 would have been a whale of a time if I also happened to be able to shoot lasers from my eyes and had an army of flying monkeys.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:54 am

Alvecia wrote:
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I don't find the situation in the OP entirely disagreeable

it's not a great situation for sure

but not as hellish as others make it out to be

at the same time, I'd go for the option with the treatment probability because of course, I'd rather be able to walk

Your OP is not even historically accurate. Or even accurate to reality for that matter, what with the literal magic and all.

I’m sure being Jew during World War 2 would have been a whale of a time if I also happened to be able to shoot lasers from my eyes and had an army of flying monkeys.


it's set in an alternate universe (as are all IM hypotheticals)

100% historical accuracy is never claimed
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:56 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Your OP is not even historically accurate. Or even accurate to reality for that matter, what with the literal magic and all.

I’m sure being Jew during World War 2 would have been a whale of a time if I also happened to be able to shoot lasers from my eyes and had an army of flying monkeys.


it's set in an alternate universe (as are all IM hypotheticals)

100% historical accuracy is never claimed

It’s not that you’re claiming it’s 100% accurate, it’s that you just used your own fictional scenario as evidence that the reality wouldn’t be bad. That’s baffling.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:45 am

Heloin wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:We shall remember the LeBlanc Liberation Army.

LeBlanc's flag is deepest red
It's shrouded oft our martyred dead
Our banner bright, our symbol plain
Of human right and human gain

Then raise LeBlanc's red standard high
Beneath its shade, we'll never die
Though some may flinch and others fear
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We sing joyfully, as NCR lies in the pond he wheeled himself into.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:57 am

... :eyebrow: I'm a young woman in Medieval Europe and I haven't been kidnapped? And I have a wheelchair? And they have medications outside bloodletting, herbs, and prayer? And the idea of enlightenment exists in the middle ages?

Sorry IM, but this is too unrealistic for me to make a response (/s)

Jokes aside, no. In fact, I would join the opposition. He was clearly trying to use me just for political gain. Fuck that
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:55 pm

Heloin wrote:
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I think it can be a great time to live in, depending on your luck

Nope.

Yeah, honestly, I would prefer my modern life than being the result of incest, being either weak and scrawny or fat, and then dying at the age of 23 because of a plague, war, heresy, or my brother-son backstabbing me with the help of my wife for political gain.

Also, no coffee, No potatoes, no Corn, no Internet, no Cars, no air conditioning, no electric heating, in fact nothing electric, no proper medicine, no llamas, most spices are a no, no refrigeration, no manufactured goods, no contacts or glasses, no books that go against the church, etc

Yeah, fuck the middle ages
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:46 pm

I can't speak to this scenario but were I the crippled lady's dad, I might be quite eager to have her married off or just taken off of my hands in general. This is medieval Europe we're talking about. Of course her primary value would be- how good of a baby machine could she be? Assuming she is too crippled to move much and is thus more of a burden to care for than a woman who can help on the farm, cook or clean, or whatever.
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This is heresy.

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Postby Cetacea » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:48 pm

As Annie I'd be more than happy to accept the proposition, it offers me a chance to walk and provides a lvel of comfort and security for my parents

As the parents I'd be reluctant as it runs the risk of Annie recovering her memories and going on another rampage (oops I've said too much! No I take it bac- sorr....)

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:56 pm

I would *rolls dice* Rock fall, everyone dies.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:07 pm

Cetacea wrote:As Annie I'd be more than happy to accept the proposition, it offers me a chance to walk and provides a lvel of comfort and security for my parents

As the parents I'd be reluctant as it runs the risk of Annie recovering her memories and going on another rampage (oops I've said too much! No I take it bac- sorr....)

WE NOTE FOR FURTHER REFERENCE THAT THE WITCH QUEEN ANNIE IS DEAD - LONG LIVE THE KING!


I was going for a more optimistic Disney vibe.

If you are The Annie... then you would be positively transformed/rehabilitated by this process. You would discover Love and Responsibility. Later on, you may discover that you were the Witch Queen but you realize that you’re in a happier place now and decide not to return to war making. You have a new life and you decide to stick to this for the sake of your loved ones and you are happier for it.

This is like a spin on Sleeping Beauty. Instead of a commoner finding out later that they are an innocent princess, they find out that they were a magical mass murderer. There’s a period of coping but eventually they re-adjust.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:15 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Cetacea wrote:As Annie I'd be more than happy to accept the proposition, it offers me a chance to walk and provides a lvel of comfort and security for my parents

As the parents I'd be reluctant as it runs the risk of Annie recovering her memories and going on another rampage (oops I've said too much! No I take it bac- sorr....)

WE NOTE FOR FURTHER REFERENCE THAT THE WITCH QUEEN ANNIE IS DEAD - LONG LIVE THE KING!


I was going for a more optimistic Disney vibe.

Well, that changes a lot. Maybe I shoul-

If you are The Annie... then you would be positively transformed/rehabilitated by this process. You would discover Love and Responsibility. Later on, you may discover that you were the Witch Queen but you realize that you’re in a happier place now and decide not to return to war making. You have a new life and you decide to stick to this for the sake of your loved ones and you are happier for it.

... Okay, this does change a lot, for the worse. If I learned I was a genocidal maniac, it would be Suicide time. Also, you're putting emotions and feelings in my head.

This is like a spin on Sleeping Beauty. Instead of a commoner finding out later that they are an innocent princess, they find out that they were a magical mass murderer. There’s a period of coping but eventually they re-adjust.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:49 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
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I was going for a more optimistic Disney vibe.

Well, that changes a lot. Maybe I shoul-

If you are The Annie... then you would be positively transformed/rehabilitated by this process. You would discover Love and Responsibility. Later on, you may discover that you were the Witch Queen but you realize that you’re in a happier place now and decide not to return to war making. You have a new life and you decide to stick to this for the sake of your loved ones and you are happier for it.

... Okay, this does change a lot, for the worse. If I learned I was a genocidal maniac, it would be Suicide time. Also, you're putting emotions and feelings in my head.

This is like a spin on Sleeping Beauty. Instead of a commoner finding out later that they are an innocent princess, they find out that they were a magical mass murderer. There’s a period of coping but eventually they re-adjust.

A duchess of fakeistan, I request my immediate execution


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You might just realize you had everything you needed right there (no need for further violence)

There’s always the chance for character growth
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